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Hello jansmith
Yes things have certainly been moving iam sending for the certs next couple of days so at least we can see where were going
Thankyou for your help and will let you know when i get them
Kind Regards
Debbie

Just got back on line ,i see things have moved on since i posted 1911. Glad 1901 has been looked at to confirm it was mis transcribed.Will be good to see cert. info!

cannot see a Rose/Lloyd ,marriage at the moment

Hello Janey Canuck
I am on the case lol Rose Parsons Married Henry Lloyd 1920 in stepney
They had a son my father in law by marriage Laurence Lloyd in 1923 in Margaret street Littleham Exmouth Devon.
Lawrence married my mother in law 1978 and as my husbands dad died when my husband was 18 in 1969 i did not know him so laurence was as far as i was concerned my family.
I have listed the certs and will send off for them.
I am sorry for all the confusion but i really did not know all these exsisted. I was only looking for one living relative to sort out his estate as we are not blood relatives so this poor man can be laid to rest. I bet he is really proud of me. Bless him.
Thank you Debbie
And Goodnight

Hold on - do you know who your Rose married? That marriage certificate should be included, too.

I haven't actually managed to sort out what your relationship to these people is!

Heh.

Okay. You want:


the Parsons + Gooding marriage certificate 1887.

Marriages Dec 1887
Parsons George Daverage St Thomas 5b 128


the Grace Parsons birth certificate 1909.

Births Jun 1909
PARSONS Grace Edith B St Thomas 5b 37


the Charles D Parsons death certificate 1924.

Deaths Dec 1924
Parsons George D 60 St.Thomas 5b 31


That should connect the dots up for the family.


As for Rose ... have we settled on a birth for her?

She has to be one of these two -- imagine the bad luck of this!

Births Dec 1894
Parsons Rose St. Thomas 5b 39
Parsons Rose Nellie St. Thomas 5b 39

One is the daughter of Parsons & Searle, one is the daughter of Parsons & Gooding. Do you think they made a pact to confuse their descendants when their babies were born??

I'd just go ahead and order both of them, and sort them out once and for all.


With these, you should be able to establish for sure that the 1911 household is yours, and figure out which Rose is yours in 1911.

Hello JaneyCanuck
Yes please
Debbie

Certificates will be excellent!

If you need us to help sort out which ones you want, just shout.

Oh, and the lesson is, when you get information from somebody else, check it out first. Problem is when you put it in a post here, we all tend to assume it's actually correct. ;)

I had some total strangers in my tree as my grx2 grandparents for a little while when I first started. Someone here who had my gr-grandfather in her tree had them as his parents, so I thought, what luck!

Then I started looking into them, and I realized she had just nabbed a completely random Richard and Mary from the marriage index and attached them to my gr-grfather. They were a totally different Richard and Mary. Nothing to do with my family whatsoever.

Her connection was through some distant relationship with someone who married one of my gr-grfather's sisters. What did she care who their parents were?! Took me a year to get her to fix her tree once I'd figured out who they really were ...

Hello Von
I am completly baffled and confused with it all now, i really dont know what i am looking for or at. As i said to Janey Canuck i think i will send for the certys and go from there. I feel like i have sent everyone on a wild goose chase. I feel a bit stupid now.
Oh well you live and learn.
Thankyou for your help, but i am a bit disheartened now and i only done this so my poor father in law could rest in peace.
Thanks again Von it was very good of you
Debbie

Sadly, Debra, the information in question is utterly wrong.

The person you are talking to is either the world's worst family history researcher or has herself been led very badly astray by one.

Look at the details for the 1908 (not 1909) death for George Parsons in Mile End.

He isn't George *D* Parsons, start with.

He was 46 years old in 1908 -- born c1862 -- close. But the main thing is, why would he have died in Mile End?

And if he died in 1909, how could he be in the 1911 census, as he plainly is?

And is the obvious death not the George *D* Parsons who died in Devon in 1924, at the age of 60 -- i.e. born c1864? Who was therefore alive in 1911?

And if he died in 1908, how could he be the father of someone born in 1913?


This person has apparently told you definitely that Grace Parsons was born in 1913 and died in 1985. Grace Branch did indeed die in 1985 -- but it clearly says, right on her death certificate, that she was born in *1909*, not 1913. No Grace Parsons was born in Devon in 1913 or anywhere near!

So she is the 2-yr-old Grace Parsons in the 1911 census.


Those are the things in that list that we KNOW are wrong. Heaven only knows how much of the rest of it is wrong.

Please do let her know that

- her Grace was born in 1909, not 1913, and the records show this

- the George who died in 1908 can't reasonably be hers, because hers was clearly alive in 1911, and it seems pretty certain he is the George who died in the right place in 1924


And if there's any chance of finding out where she got this misinformation ...

Hello JaneyCanuck
The last lot of info i have received from Graces grandaughter. So i would imagine this to be near perfectly right. As george was her great granfather.
I am going to see if i can get hold of her incase she has anything else, but i will send off for the certs.
Best Wishes
Debbie

Hello JaneyCanuck
Im glad im only getting aaaarrrrgggg would hate to get anything else. I dont frighten easy but you did get me. Now if i send off for george and graces certs(all bmd)then that should answer a few things wont it.
I will send off for all the family then at least i know where i am.
I will let you know when i get them ,
Thankyou
Debbie

btw, re the marriage -- I posted it on page 2:

Marriages Dec 1887
ANDREWS Mary St Thomas 5b 128
Brooks William Henry St. Thomas 5b 128
> Gooding Elizabeth Sarah St.Thomas 5b 128
> Parsons George Daverage St Thomas 5b 128

Births Jun 1864
PARSONS George Daverage St Thomas 5b 47

Births Sep 1867
Gooding Elizabeth Sarah Honiton 5b 34

There is no George Parsons death in Mile End in 1909!

There is no George Parsons death with refs 1e 281!


But how about:

Deaths Dec 1924
Parsons George D 60 St.Thomas 5b 31

??


Aargh. This is the death referred to -- how can so many things get reported so wrong?

Deaths Dec *1908*
Parsons George 46 Mile End *1c* 281

Absolutely no reason to connect this with "our" George.

aaaaaargh. Trying to keep track of all the loose ends takes an army! ;)

And why would "our" George die in Mile End anyhow?

Sometimes the worst winder-uppers end up having the most satisfying outcomes. ;) Trust me, if I were really wound up, you wouldn't be seeing aaaaarghs and !!!!!!!s. Just picture a little cartoon person with steam coming out its ears ...

Hello janeyCanuck
Thankyou
Are you really sure you still want to help me because i have really wound you up. All i can say is sorry to you and anyone else that has helped me.
I will now read all the information carefully wait for the certs i have sent for and listen to what i am told.
And Janey without sounding sarcastic you have a very high tolerence of people like me and i reckon we will now be good freinds on here.
Thankyou (truly meant)
Debbie

aaaaaaaaaaargh.

"Walter Born 1892
William born 1888"

Not quite the same as your first post:

"Walter born1886 and William born 1882"

based on which I spent I don't know how long searching ...


Also on page 1 you said:

"I only know that they had a sister Rose Parsons born 1895 and Florence who was 8 at the time and just found another sister."
(that would be Grace)

So the information about Florence -- ? Taken from that census record in 1901 with the Searles, i.e. a census record that probably isn't your Rose, it's just one you happened on?

aaaaaaaargh.


"George D Parsons Born 1864 -death 1909 in Mile end (1e281)"

i.e. George Daverage Parsons, the one I did spend the time trying to figure out.

If he died in 1909, there hasn't been much point in people searching for him in the 1911 census, has there??


"Grace married a Albert Branch 1931 he was born 1914-1985
and grace died 1985 a month apart."

There is no death of a Grace Branch born 1913 in 1985 in the death index 1984-2005.

But there IS this one:

Name: Grace Edith B Branch
>>>>> Birth Date: 17 May 1909 -- NOT 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1985
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2022

and that DOES match up with the 2-yr-old Grace Parsons in the 1911 census.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Births Jun 1909
PARSONS Grace Edith B St Thomas 5b 37


So much wrong information leading to so much work and ultimately nowhere!!!!!

But the information you have *now* given seems to be making sense.


So ........ can you remind us what the question is? ;)

I have to be doing some work but will come back later in the day. Maybe Jan or others will want to review. ;)

Hello JaneyCanuck
George D Parsons Born 1864 -death 1909 in Mile end (1e281)
Elizabeth Gooding Born 1866 death not known
The parents of George is Henry j Parsons 1842 a seaman and Jane born 1840.These are their children.
Henry j Parsons Born 1862
George Parsons Born 1864-1908
James Parsons Born 1866-?
Charlotte Parsons Born 1868-?
George and Elizabeth got married st. Thomas exmouth 1887
They had Children
Rose Parsons 1895
Walter Born 1892
William born 1888
and Grace 1909
Grace married a Albert Branch 1931 he was born 1914-1985
and grace died 1985 a month apart.
Graces Parents were

Albert was born in London. They both died in Brightling sea Colchester.
I know that Grace is part of this family as we visited them once in 1978
and Albert(known as ted) was the ferryman in Brightlinsea.
Alberts father was William Branch born 1875 I dont know where i havent got that far.
Now i know i got this right
Is this better way of putting it.
Thankyou
Debbie

Okay, argh, now I see the point about the "KAREMS" household. I'd assumed it was mistranscribed for KEARNS, but yes, it looks like PARSONS.

And yes, there are a William, Walter and Rose (William and Walter not having the birthdates originally given here, or anything like). But no Florence.

So yes, they are indeed a viable option.

What of Florence? And Grace? It's still unlikely that couple would have had a daughter in 1913. Maybe Grace was born several years earlier, despite the adamance about her birth being 1913.

If we can see the death info for Grace, it may help.

Jan, the George and Sarah 1911 bit has been done over and over. The other thread on a different board - Debra, I guess you deleted it - was full of it. Too bad you deleted, the people there should have had a chance to see this thread. - edit - sorry, you didn't delete! I wasn't paying attention, forgive me.

I think it is very obvious that ROSE and FLORENCE are the children of CHARLES PARSONS and ELLEN LOUISA SEARLE. Only birth certificates and marriage certificate will confirm or deny that.

Whoever Walter and William are, they are not (full, anyway) silbings of Rose and Florence.

Whoever GRACE is, she is not a full sibling of Rose and Florence.

No GRACE PARSONS was born in or even about 1913, in or near Devon.

GEORGE PARSONS and SARAH/ELIZABETH GOODING really do not appear to be the parents of Rose and Florence. Here, I am assuming that sisters Rose and Florence are a true bit of info -- that your Rose did have a sister Florence as you originally described.

If there were a Walter and William Parsons born in the early 1880s, they *could* be the half-brothers of a Grace born c1913 - i.e. have the same father - but it is very very very improbable that they had the same mother as a Grace born c1913, i.e. about 30 years later.

There is a mishmash of information here that simply does not make sense.


Debra -- could you give the info about Grace's death? Her name and date and place of death?

And will you consider ordering the PARSONS + SEARLE marriage certificate and the 1894 ROSE PARSONS birth certificate?


And no, no, please don't delete this thread! Eventually something is going to make sense, and all this info will have to be culled and sorted, and hopefully will make some kind of sense too. ;)