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Believe it or not, I couldn't find a death for an emma harris/maria. Shall keep hunting tho' :)

I have had Samuels sons birth cert from ireland today.
In 1911 he was a Lieutenant and quartermaster in the Royal Irish Regiment at Ashfield Kilkenny.
Just thought you would like to know that
AND that his wife was def Isabel Pullen.

But can I find his ww1 records ,can I heck.
Because he was an officer would he be on nationalarchives instead I wonder?if they survived the blitz of course.
Or as he was in an irish reg would they be in Ireland?

I am unable to find this part of the family in 1871 or 1861.
Isabel 1869 was the eldest child and became samuels wife.
I have every other census on this pullen/sadgrove family.
Isabel and thomas pullen married in 1868 and should therefore be together on 1871with baby isabel ,,,where??
And I am also unable to find thomas james pullen in 1861,he is not with his parents or anywhere else I have searched.
All and any help welcome for these two census returns.
THANKS



1881 England Census
about Isabel Pullen
Name: Isabel Pullen
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas J.
Mother's Name: Isabel
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Langley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: Rumwood Green
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Hollingbourn
Sub-registration district: Headcorn

This would appear to be Thomas in 1841. Two things that match, the birth place is given as Islington (as is I think the 1901 census?), and James occ is given as attorney? And thomas was a solicitor?

Name: Thomas Pullen
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Islington East
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Pullen 30
Mary Pullen 25
Thomas Pullen 6
Jane Pullen 4
William Pullen 3
Ann Pullen 1
Robert Pullen 2 Mo

Forgot to check james place of birth, back in a sec!!

Thank you for that Linda ,but I already have that,plus a marriage for james thomas pullen to mary jane chell on 05 1833 in shoreditch.

The only census I am missing is 1861 AND 1871 for thomas james pullen.
cant find him on either.
B

Nyah ha ha. Look who I found. I think. (Well, you asked me!)

1861

Name: Thos Jas Puller
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Brighton

Samuel P Palmer 60
Elizabeth Palmer 62
Elizabeth S Palmer 27
Charles Bert 37
Thos Jas Puller 24


Occupation: ... well, I thought it said "Pant liner", but I make it "Gentleman".

Will he do then??

You are wonderful arent you Janey,thank you.
never mind about the enter key,I will let you see that one at a later date.
And that comes under KB anyway

BUT WHERE IS HE WITH ??
wife isabel and child isabel born 1869 in 1871,you aint found that yet.

This lot sure liked calling themselves a gentleman,thats what isabel sadgrove/pullen has down for her fathers occ on MC to thomas james.
But none of the women seem to be listed as a gentlewoman!
B

And much better to be a gentleman than a "pant liner"I would have thought.
Mind you some men I suppose,Na dont go there.........

B

what's this "isabel sadgrove/pullen? you've forgotten to tell us something. And yoou're right nothing coming up on the 1871 yet. :)

got 'em, 1871 census findmy past, Rg 10 847 page 20. Not coming up on ancestry????

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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PULLEN, Thos J Head M 35 1836 Middlesex VIEW
PULLEN, Sarah Wife F 34 1837 Middlesex VIEW
PULLEN, Isabella Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex VIEW
PULLEN, Harold Son M 1 1870 Middlesex VIEW
ANDERSON, William Visitor M 22 1849 Cumberland VIEW
RILEY, Ann Servant F 18 1853 Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
847 Folio:
18 Page:
29

Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
Croydon EnumerationDistrict:
35 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Croydon Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cargreen Road Broadland, Croydon County:
Surrey


Thos j is a solicitor!! Na na :))))

Ha, it's much better at Ancestry.

Thos J Killen 35
Sarah Killen 34
Isabella Killen 17
Harold Killen 1 1 month
William Anderson 22
Ann Riley 18

Lordy, lordy.

It's PULLEN, of course.

Isabella is 1 1/2.
Harold is 1 1/2.

They are dientified as TWINS plain as day.

DING, DONG,!!

You wonderful researcher you,go to t,top of the class.
It didnt enter my head to go" find my past "as my sub is with ancestry and I only use FMP for 1911 and overseas.
Thank you ever so.

Isabel pullen married samuel wallace harris 1905(remember?}and her mother isabel was a Sadgrove before marriage.
B

Righto, go to bed now another mystery unravelled...don't you love it?? I normally go straight to fmp if ancestry ain't got it, but this time I was checking immigration etc for some dopey reason!! :)

Well blow me,harold must have died then?
Hes not on 1881
off for a shuftie.

HIS WIFES NAME IS WRONG!!
Her name was Isabel.
Where she gone then??
She didnt die til 1917 and I have her on 1911 with a daughter Ruth.

Probably just a transcribers error, the kids are all too old on ancestry and their transcribers can't read the surname ..killen/pullen. the writing is a bit fancy. Isabella's age could read 17 (1 1/2)!! ??? linda :)

Huh.

Marriages Dec 1868
Pullen Thomas James Hackney 1b 639
Sadgrove Isabel Hackney 1b 639

But no, the image very definitely and very clearly says Sarah for wife's name in 1871. Isabella the daughter underneath her is completely different.

It could have been misread from the household schedule, but that seems unlikely. Although the 1/2 is written differently from Harold's 1/2.

Oh, and Isabella's age is 1 1/2 clear as a bell and beyond question, too.

No, it deffo says Sarah on image.
Harold died 1872.
I have the 1868 marriage cert too.
I am not disputing its the right family ,as I believe it is,and my they did naf move a lot.
Just the wifes name.