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Oh my goodness, i can't believe Margaret has changed her name again, this is more confusing than ever......... i have just joined ancestry to see if i can find anything,i am hooked i think lol, trouble is none of my relations have made it straight forward.

I know that my Grandad William was using the William Longworth Bell in the army in ww1. I managed to find his records he had lost a leg.

daughter Mary Ellen' marriage;

Marriages Mar 1907
Longworth Mary Ellen Blackburn 8e 625
Pickup William Blackburn 8e 625



1911 Census Household Transcript

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
PICKUP, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 27 IRON AND TIN PLATE WORKER LANCS BLACKBURN LANCASHIRE
PICKUP, MARY ELLEN WIFE MARRIED 4 F 23 WEAVER COTTON LANCS BLACKBURN
PICKUP, EVA DAUGHTER F 3 LANCS BLACKBURN


PICKUP MARY ELLEN (RG14PN25064 RG78PN1436 RD474 SD5 ED4 SN11)
Address 142 ADDISON STREET BLACKBURN County Lancashire
District Blackburn Subdistrict Blackburn South Western
Enumeration District 4 Parish Blackburn


grandaughter of Margaret Bell/Boardman/Longworh
daughter of Mary Ellen:

Births Dec 1907
PICKUP Eva Blackburn 8e 330

an after thought?
Births Sep 1931
Pickup Harry mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 438

Possible for Susannah's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1913
Longworth Susannah Blackburn 8e 832
Ronson Thomas Blackburn 8e 832



Possible for Ethel's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1912
Longworth Ethel Blackburn 8e 877
Pritt William Blackburn 8e 877

I don't know where you find all this information so quickly, I definately think you have put me on the right track, i have been picking my mums brains but she doesn't remember much, other than she said her dad william fell out with his mum margaret, and didn't like the fact he was illegitimate, she also remembers a man they used to call uncle Bill and i think that will be the chap you have just found. WilliamPickup.

Helen, this is a free site that I find very useful for BMD. It is not complete as yet but nevertheless very good.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Brenda

Thankyou Brenda i will have a look on there, how long have been doing this, you are brilliant, thankyou

About 4 years - but once started I've always had to keep digging at things - ever since I was a child. I enjoy the challenge!

This is another site that is free and also very useful:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp


This is from this site:-


IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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JAMES BOARDMAN Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET ANN BELL Family
Marriage:
18 MAR 1880 Adlington, Lancashire, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M160283 1843 - 1900 1526077 Film NONE
Sheet:


and this:-

Household Record 1881 British Census

Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household
Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James BOARDMAN Head M Male 26 Blackrod, Lancashire, England Carter
Margaret A. BOARDMAN Wife M Female 21 Wigan, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth BOARDMAN Daur Female 2 m Bolton, Lancashire, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 6 William St
Census Place Little Bolton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341916
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3833 / 113
Page Number 16

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From: Adlington, Lancashire
To: Bolton, Greater Manchester
Distance: 8.5 mile

From: Adlington, Lancashire
To: Wigan, Greater Manchester
Distance: 8.6 miles

From: Bolton, Greater Manchester
To: Wigan, Greater Manchester
Distance: 10.8 miles

From: Blackrod, Bolton
To: Wigan, Greater Manchester
Distance: 5.2 miles

Its really good of you to help people like me, it gets very confusing, very interesting though, the trouble with me is i go off on tangents, so you have helped me stay on one path.

I dont know what you mean by "people like me". Sounds as if you ar putting yourself down so please, Helen, don't do that! All of us no matter how qualified some may be, need help sometimes - I know that I have been pleased with help that I've been given in the past as I am far less knowledgable than many on here. Just pleased to give a helping hand!


With regards to the child Elizabeth Boardman born 1881, there are two births for that quarter in Bolton:-

Births Mar 1881
BOARDMAN Elizabeth Bolton 8c 418
BOARDMAN Elizabeth Ellen Bolton 8c 330

and there is a death for one of them:-

Deaths Sep 1882
Boardman Elizabeth Ellen 1 Bolton 8c 174


Maybe the child that died was the daughter of James & Margaret? What do you think?

Brenda

All these children look like they belong to Ethel Pritt nee Longworth/Boardman/Bell:


Births Jun 1913
Pritt Ida mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 706

Births Dec 1916
Pritt George mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 531

Births Jun 1921 (TWINS)
Pritt Harry S mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 750
Pritt William R mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 750




Births Sep 1923
Pritt Fred mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 593

Deaths Sep 1923
PRITT Fred 0 Blackburn 8e 386



Births Jun 1933
PRITT Margaret J mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 427


Brenda

could Banister have been lying (or unsure) of his age in the census returns

Baptisms: 23 Feb 1831 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Banister Longworth - Child of Elizabeth Longworth
Abode: Blackburn
Occupation: Spinster
Baptised by: J Porter
Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1832, Page 200, Entry 1596
Source: LDS Film 1278804

the marriage to the sarah in the census?

Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
>>>Hitchin Sarah Blackburn 8e 372
>>>Longworth Banister Blackburn 8e 372
Neville John Blackburn 8e 372
Woods Margaret Blackburn 8e 372

if this is your grandfathers birth his mothers was born as Margaret Boardman not Margaret Bell

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOARDMAN William Longworth Trinity Preston BOARDMAN TR/15/12

the other children

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOARDMAN Sarah Jane Longworth Blackburn Blackburn B/244/26

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOARDMAN Mary Ellen Longworth Blackburn Northern Blackburn BN/7/50

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOARDMAN Susannah Longworth Blackburn Northern Blackburn BN/32/71

this could be the Margaret Longworth in the 1911 census Moody Blue gave you - thouigh I must admit the children's biths match

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LONGWORTH John INGHAM Margaret Ann Lower Darwen, St James Blackburn CE25/1/255

alternatively if she was calling herself Longworth she may have been keeping up the fiction that she was married to Banister

Possibly because all her children were fathered by Bannister Longworth they may have chosen to use his name after he was deceased - afterall they were neither Bell nor Boardman really! If that was the case she may well have felt the need to be the same as her children - a Longworth.

Brenda

Oh dear i am even more confused lol.... i do know that my grandad William Boardman / longworth/ bell used Longworth Bell as his main name and my mothers maiden name is Bell. The confusion lies with my Great Grandma Margaret Ann Boardman/Longworth/ Bell, I am still following the theory that you came up with Brenda that Bell was her maiden name.
Bannister Longworth did have another family (if its the same man, which i think it will be) and i think it must have left them to live with Margaret.
Oh Crikey do you think i will ever solve it....Trouble is my other ancestors have the same sort of things happening they certainly are a rum lot lol.
Thanks once again for the help and thanks to you to Lancashire ann

I could do with a direct line to my dear departed ancestors, wouldn't it be good if you could just give them a ring. I did find a death for Bannister Longworth in 1898, and i am presuming that its the same bannister because he doesn't show up in the 1901 census with margaret.
Where did you find the 1911 census?