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Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 00:02

I am trying to find Bannister Longworth, I have found him in 1891 census in Blackburn, but i can't find anything else about him, apart from i know he died in 1898 (found this on Frebmd)he lived with Margaret Boardman and had several children with her, the children have surname Boardman and middle name Longworth one of which was William Boardman my Grandad. In 1901 census they became known as Bell. Please can anyone help, i am very confused. Bright Blessings Helen

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 May 2009 00:12

1881

Bannister LONGWORTH Head M Male 44 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Reedmaker
Sarah LONGWORTH Wife M Female 42 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Mary Ellen LONGWORTH Daur Female 16 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Eliz. LONGWORTH Daur Female 14 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
George LONGWORTH Son Male 5 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Scholar
Jane LONGWORTH Daur Female 2 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
John PEARSON Lodger W Male 50 Blackburn, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 75 Hamilton St
Census Place Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342002
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4181 / 67
Page Number 28

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 00:13


1881 England Census
about Bannister Longworth
Name: Bannister Longworth
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 75 Hamilton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Reedmaker

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bannister Longworth 44
Sarah Longworth 42
Mary Ellen Longworth 16
Eliz. Longworth 14
George Longworth 5
Jane Longworth 2
John Pearson 50
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4181; Folio: 67; Page: 28; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342002.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 00:14

1871 England Census
about Bannister Longworth
Name: Bannister Longworth
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: B'ham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 81 Hamilton St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 222
Household Members:
Name Age
Bannister Longworth 34 Reed Maker
Sarah Longworth 32 cotton Weaver born Colne Lancs
Mary E Longworth 6
Elizth Longworth 4
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4172; Folio: 99; Page: 46; GSU roll: 846935.

Births Mar 1865
LONGWORTH Mary Ellen Blackburn 8e 310


Births Jun 1867
Longworth Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 307

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 00:20

Thankyou Ann of Green Gables, Crikey that was quick, It looks like Bannister had another family before Margaret Boardman. Can i be cheeky and ask if you can find anything for Margaret Boardman becoming Margaret Bell.
Crikey i can't believe how quick you did that, i have been going round in circles for weeks.
Many Thanks
Helen

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 00:22

Thankyou to you too Moody Blue, How do you do this so quickly, I am very grateful like i said to ann i have been going round and round in circles, this is so exciting. Many Thanks again
Helen

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 00:26

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

GEORGE Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
15 AUG 1875 Saint Mary, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: BANNISTER LONGWORTH Family
Mother: SARAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C007084 1872 - 1900 1278806 Film NONE
Sheet:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 May 2009 00:35

http://www.ancestorhunt.com/mormon_church_records.htm

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 00:50

Could Bell have been her maiden name?

Births Jun 1860 BELL Margaret Ann Wigan 8c 22


1901 England Census
about Margaret A Bell
Name: Margaret A Bell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Blackburn St Barnabas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret A Bell 42
William L Bell 17
Sarah L Bell 15
Mary E L Bell 13
Ethel L Bell 10
Susannah L Bell 7
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3909; Folio: 140; Page: 47



Marriages Mar 1880
Bell Margaret Ann Chorley 8e 590
BOARDMAN James Chorley 8e 590

1881 England Census
about Margaret A. Boardman
Name: Margaret A. Boardman
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Little Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 6 William St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Boardman 26
Margaret A. Boardman 21
Elizabeth Boardman
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3833; Folio: 113; Page: 16; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341916.

Possible death?
Deaths Sep 1882
Boardman James age30 Bolton 8c 175


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From: Chorley, Lancashire
To: Wigan, Greater Manchester
Distance: 8.9 miles

From: Chorley, Lancashire
To: Blackrod, Bolton
Distance: 5.0 mile

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 01:09

Sorry Moody Blue just replied but i don't know where it went. I never thought of Bell being her maiden name, it could be, but i wonder what happened to Boardman and the child, I do know that the L stands for Longworth and is the middle name of the children in the 1891 census, the plot thickens, its getting even more exciting Thanks again.

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 01:16

Oh my Goodness, I think you are right, I have just re read what you sent and yes it could be, i will have to redo my tree, i have gone off in completely the wrong direction, lol, i have added someone elses relatives to my tree, oh dear.
This is very confusing.
So poor James died when he was 30 and poor Margaret would have been a young widow, that is so sad, perhaps another family took on her child.?
Thanks so very very much

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 01:20

Maybe the daughter from the Boardman marriage?


1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Boardman
Name: Elizabeth Boardman
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Haydock, Lincolnshire, England (s/b Lancashire)

Civil Parish: Newton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Earlestown
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bell 77
Margaret Bell 49 (Boardman on original census)
Elizabeth Boardman 10
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3069; Folio 17; Page 28; GSU roll: 6098179.


I thought that I had deleted this one - I did try to - as I am not so sure about it being the correct family. Margarets age is not right nor the place of birth

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 01:35

Moody Blue you are brilliant at this, It certainly makes sense that the child would go to Grandparents, So Robert must be Margaret Boardman nee Bell's Dad.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 01:39

Just in case they may be useful........believe that they are Margaret Ann Bell's family.:


1871 England Census
about Margaret Bell
Name: Margaret Bell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rachael
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 26 Chapel Lane
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members:
Name Age
Rachael Bell 52
Sarah Bell 23 tailoress
George Bell 22 Hairdresser
Martha Bell 20 tailoress
Mary Bell 19 cotton Weaver
Henry Bell 16 Hairdresser
Thomas Bell 14 Hairdresser
Margaret Bell 12 scholar
Elizabeth J Bell 8 scholar
Baker Moss 21 boarder, hairdresser
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3886; Folio: 112; Page: 34; GSU roll: 842037.




1861 England Census
about Margaret Ann Bell
Name: Margaret Ann Bell
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Rachel
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 37 Wallgate
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bell 46 Hairdresser & Perfumer . born Scotland
Rachel Bell 42 wife
Sarah Bell 14 Factory operative
George Bell 12
Martha Bell 10
Mary Bell 8
Henry Bell 6
Thomas Bell 4
Margaret Ann Bell 1
Mary Hoyledon 48 should read Haselden ( Rachel's sister)
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2777; Folio: 100; Page: 40; GSU roll: 543027.



1851 England Census
about Rachel Bell
Name: Rachel Bell
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Winter Street

Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Hartshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hassedale 35 Head,Power lLoom Weaver (s/b Haselden - sister of Rachel)
Sarah Greenhalch 23 Lodger
Rachel Bell 32 lodger, married, Powere Loom Weaver
Sarah Bell 3
George Bell 2
Martha Bell 6 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2238; Folio: 437; Page: 39; GSU roll: 87250.



1841 England Census
about Rachael Haselden
Name: Rachael Haselden
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Hallgate

Occupation:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Rachael Haselden 20 Straw Weaver
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 523; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Wigan; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 28; Folio: 36; Page: 23; Line: 16; GSU roll: 306909.


others on page
Match quality: 1 out of 5 Mary Haselden abt 1816 Lancashire, England Wigan, Lancashire
View Record

Match quality: 1 out of 5 John Haselden abt 1826 Lancashire, England Wigan, Lancashire





Marriages Dec 1846
Haselden Rachel Wigan 21 648
Bell William Wigan 21 648



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Rachel Bell
Name: Rachel Bell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 59
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 14

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 01:52

Thankyou, Yes i see what you mean about Boardman Child, the dates don't seem to match.. You are a star, thanks again for being so helpful, i am just deleting the relatives that are not mine from my tree. You are so clever at this.
Bright Blessings
Helen

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 02:01

Please dont be too hasty Helen .......you dont know for sure that we are on the right track yet! I would hate for you to find out that you were right in the first place and have to re do it all over again.

I have to go to bed now as I will never get up in the morning. I'll look in tomorrow.

nite,

Brenda

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 02:21

Bannister/Banister on 1841 census:-

RG number: HO107 Piece: 502 Book/Folio: 6/41 Page: 28

Reg. District: Blackburn Sub District: Blackburn
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Blackburn City/Municipal Borough: Blackburn
Address: Lark Hill, Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
LONGWORTH, Elizabeth F 35 1806 Lancashire
LONGWORTH, Betty F 12 1829 Lancashire
LONGWORTH, William M 6 1835 Lancashire
FOWLER, James M 10 1831 Ireland
LONGWORTH, Banister M 4 1837 Lancashire

Helen

Helen Report 18 May 2009 02:28

Thankyou Brenda,
I have to go to bed also, I have a gut feeling about your findings, I think you were right about Bell being her maiden name. I have found an Elizabeth Boardman living with relatives and she is listed as niece, this could be Boardman Child. But like you say i won't be hasty, Many Many Thanks, Have lovely Dreams
Helen

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 22:19

Here is the 1911 census and yet another name change - back to Longworth


1911 Census Household Transcript

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
LONGWORTH, MARGAET ANN HEAD MARRIED 30 F 50 LANC WIGAN
LONGWORTH, SUSANNAH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 WEAVER LANC BLACKBURN
ROBINSON, FREDERICK SON IN LAW MARRIED M 26 SPINNER LANC BLACKBURN
ROBINSON, SARAH JANE DAUGHTER MARRIED 6 F 26 WEAVER LANC BLACKBURN
ROBINSON, HARRY GRAND SON M 5 LANC BLACKBURN


RG14PN25063 RG78PN1436 RD474 SD5 ED3 SN109)
Address 145 ADDISON ST BLACKBURN County Lancashire
District Blackburn Subdistrict Blackburn South Western
Enumeration District 3 Parish Blackburn

It says on this census that Mary Ann was married 30 years......the marriage of Margaret Ann Bell to James Boardman was 30 years before 1911!

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 May 2009 22:25

Daughters marriage:

Marriages Mar 1905
LONGWORTH Sarah Jane Blackburn 8e 520
Robinson Frederick Blackburn 8e 520

Grandson

Births Dec 1905
ROBINSON Harry Blackburn 8e 316