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Received death cert today (11/12/10)

Elizabeth Bilbrough died of Cancer on 23/04/1898 at 23 Ernest Street (which is in Bethnal Green) sub district of Mile End Old Town Eastern.

She was the widow of Edward Bilbrough Journeyman Cabinet Maker

The informant was E Bilbrough (Son) of 62 Fuller Street Bethnal Green and the death was registered on 25/04/1898.


Im still waiting for the LMA to get back. But im not convinced they will give me the information which I need. I still think I'm going to have to go their myself to find out who was living at 104 Globe Street in 1884. just have to wait for them to email back.

Deb


Edit

That is the same street her daughter was living when she married George potts in 1868 (moody blue's post page 9)

1891 census - address transcription
Address: 103, Globe Road, Mile End Old Town

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Disability Where Born

FINN, John Head Married M 26 1865 Greengrocer Whitechapel London
FINN, Julia Wife Married F 24 1867 Shoreditch London
HANBY, Mary A Servant Single F 33 1858 General Servant Domestic Shoreditch London

Thanks Tempest for your time in looking that up

Deb

Moody Blue posted the 1891 census for 103 Globe Road, on page 9 of the thread.

I guess the question is then: who was at 23 Ernest Street in 1891?

This one Janey on Page 9

The marriage of Elizabeth Bilbrough is of the daughter born 1868:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Bilbrough
Name: Elizabeth Bilbrough (spinster)
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: George William Potts (bachelor, Carrier)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 May 1885
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Edward Bilbrough (Cabinet maker)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Potts (Carrier)

George Potts address: 25 Ernest St
Elizabeths: 31 Ernest St
Witnesses: Alfred Bilbrough, elizabeth Whiteh*ad

Deb


Edit I believe Elizabeth snr a relation of hers was also living in the same street in 1881 not inportant but he was living at 138

And yes who was living there in 1891

it does seem that the street has a big family connection

And the answer is ... oh lord, District 16, Mile End Old Town Eastern, starts at #95 for the odd numbers ... No, it jumps oddly around. Page 54 of 75, at Ancestry.


edit -- for some reason, I decided to look at 93 Ernest. I'm now looking for 23 and the surrounding households!


"I believe Elizabeth snr a relation of hers was also living in the same street in 1881 not inportant but he was living at 138 "

I don't follow. Elizabeth Sr was the mother of Elizabeth who married Potts and also of Alice.

I think you still need an electoral register look up of 103 globe rd in 1884, sometimes people didn't reside at an address for long, so just because their is a family with the surname Finn there in 1891, doesnt meant they were they 6 years earlier in 1884. I think if she was born at that address in 1884, then there has got to hopefully be some clues by an electoral lookup for that year.

The fact her father was mentioned as having an occupation as greengrocer and in both 1881 and 1891 the people living there had the occupations Greengrocer, says to me that the address 103 Globe Road must of be a shop, with lodging above it.

I agree, the Finns quite likely weren't there in 1884 -- for one thing, they were quite young ... and they married in 1890. ;)

Right, 23 Ernest in 1891. Page 67 of 75 at Ancestry, Mile End Old Town Eastern, District 16.

William Lewis, aged 50, wife Charlotte, aged 48, Daughters Emma and Mary A. Nobody of interest to us nearby.

Janey and Sib

Thanks again for your time in this

I think the only answer is for me to get down the the LMA and have a look for the Globe road for 1884.

beleive it or not I have not started my christmas shopping yet (lol) so I dont think I shall be getting down there in the next few day's

But as soon as christmas is over (I think christmas should be moved to another time) I will make it the first job I need to do.

Im sure they are open on a Saturday so it will have to be that day due to my work

So I think this thread needs to go to bed for a while and I will update as soon as I get the information needed (unless we crack it LOL)

May I thank you again for all your time and effort in this and I wish you a Very Happy Chiristmas and New Year

Deb xx

(Dont have bad dreams about Cooley's and Bilbourgh) x

p.s If you think of anything else just post it as I will still be checking Just in case

Thanks again

Deb x

I get it re 138 Ernest -- a relation of Elizabeth (Downes) Bilbrough -- yes, the Downes household (pages 41-42 of 75 at Ancestry).


James Downes 40
Jane Downes 38
Louisa Downes 16
Matilda Downes 14
Alice Downes 12
Ada Downes 11
Albert Downes 9
Elizabeth Downes 5

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town


There are Alice Downes births Q3 1878 in Stepney and Q1 1879 in Whitechapel -- just checking that wasn't our Alice!

Dont Start Janey

I did have the same thing going through my head LOL

Deb

Thanks Choccy for your time in looking that up

The problem at the moment is that we cant find Elizabeth Bilbrough b1845 and her daughter Alice born 1884 in the 1891 cencus

As where they are living might give a clue on Alice's real father as the Father listed on her birth cert was decesead at the time and had been for a couple of years

Deb

Edit changed the date for the correct census needed (oops)

I think Debbie means the 1891 census we are having trouble locating her Alice, she has he 1881 and 1901 census details.

I do wish people would read the thread.

Yes, Debbie meant the 1891 census. The 1881 and 1901 censuses, the Bilbrough-Potts marriage, etc., have been posted and discussed at great length.

If it were that easy ..................... there wouldn't be 11 pages of thread.

Sorry Barbara

Sib and Janey are correct it is the 1891 censuses we are looking for

Sorry my mistake but thanks for your time with your reply

Deb

Edit changed date ( I think I need a holiday) LOL

lol Debbie, you said 1901 census again, you mean 1891.

Understandable though, with such a complex family.

Maybe we could all just delete our posts after Deb's that starts out

"Thanks Choccy for your time in looking that up"

and Deb you can edit that post to make it 1891 instead of 1901.

It would sure spare a lot of pointless clutter and confusion in this thread.

taken off the 1891 that is not needed

I'm pretty sure that 1891 must be here in the thread somewhere too ... it just doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

It's Elizabeth Bilbrough Potts' mother Elizabeth Bilbrough and half-sister Alice Bilbrough 1885 we're looking for ...

There just isn't really any point in doing everything that's been done, all over again!

I guess Barbara hasn't looked back. Plonk and run.

Hi recieved this email today from LMA not good news (mind you what's new) :)

This is what they have said

"Unfortunately we do not hold any registers of electors in respect of Tower Hamlets between 1866 and 1890.

I have consulted the 1884 edition of the London Post Office Directory that this shows that 103 Globe Road (or part of it) was occupied by William Shacklady, greengrocer. Presumably there may have been residents living over the shop, however, they may not have been entitled to vote."

I really don't know which way to go from here ?

I cant think of anymore avenues to go down to answer my question

Deb


Edit

I think I might get this marriage cert which Janey added

Marriages Dec 1894
Bilbrough James Bethnal G. 1c 361

Deb