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Diane
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2 May 2009 21:37 |
George Herbert Hirst was a well known cricketer. His birth certificate states that his mother was a Mary E Woolhouse. He has no father on the birth cert. I can only find him in the 1901 census with his wife Emma and two children. There is a book about him which states that his grandparents brought him up in the Brown Cow Inn in Kirkheaton. They were Sarah maria and James. How can I find out who mary E Woolhouse was? He did have an aunt called Mary Elizabeth Hirst and wondered if she could have been his mother. Why would she have been called Woolhouse ? I can't find a marriage cert for Mary Elizabeth Hirst and a Woolhouse. Help!!!!!!!!!!
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Diane
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2 May 2009 21:46 |
He was born in 1871 in Huddersfield.
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2 May 2009 22:13 |
1851 England Census Name: Mary Elizabeth Hirst Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Sarah Maria Gender: Female Where born: Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkheaton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Almondbury ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 89 Household Members: Name Age James Hirst 27 Sarah Maria Hirst 24 Mary Elizabeth Hirst 4 Hannah Hirst 10 Mo Sarah Hirst 62 Nancy Gledhill 13 Father James was an Innkeeper and Farmer. Sarah Hirst aged 62 was Mother.
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2 May 2009 22:35 |
1881 England Census Name: Sarah Maria Hirst Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkheaton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Saint Marys Brown Cow Inn Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Innkeeper & Farmer Of 7 Acres Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Kirkheaton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Sarah Maria Hirst 54 Amelia Hirst 21 (single) Louisa Hirst 18 (single) James Hirst 15 Job Hirst 13 Henry Hirst 10 Annie Maria Hirst 5 (grandaughter)
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2 May 2009 22:39 |
1871 England Census Name: James Hirst Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Maria Gender: Male Where born: Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkheaton Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkheaton Town: Kirkheaton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Kirkheaton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Household Members: Name Age James Hirst 46 Sarah Maria Hirst 44 Mary Hirst 24 Sarah Hirst 19 Thomas Hirst 15 Amelia Hirst 11 Louisa Hirst 8 James Hirst 5 Job Hirst 3 Henry Hirst 6 months
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2 May 2009 22:47 |
1861 England Census Name: Mary Hirst Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Sarah Maria Gender: Female Where born: Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkheaton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Kirkheaton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 131 Household Members: Name Age James Hirst 36 Sarah Maria Hirst 34 Mary Hirst 14 Sarah Hirst 9 Thomas Hirst 5 Betty Hirst 3 Amelia Hirst 1 Sarah Hirst 70
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2 May 2009 22:51 |
1891 England Census Name: Sarah M Hirst Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkheaton Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkheaton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Kirkheaton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Sarah M Hirst 64 Job Hirst 23 Henry Hirst 20 Annie M Hirst 15 William Etchell 28
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2 May 2009 22:58 |
As you can see, there is no mention of George Herbert Hirst on any of the censuses with James and Sarah Maria, even though it has been stated that his grandparents brought him up.
'George Herbert Hirst was born in Kirkheaton on 7 September 1871 at the Brown Cow public house in St. Mary’s Lane. The pub was run by his mother’s parents James and Sarah Maria Hirst. James also farmed six acres attached to the pub. George Herbert left school at the age of 10 and went to work as a wirer for a hand-loom weaver. He also helped his grandfather droving the cattle'
so where was he from 1871 to 1891 census and beyond to 1901??
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2 May 2009 23:04 |
Births Jun 1847 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Woolhouse Mary Elizabeth Huddersfield 22 378
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2 May 2009 23:07 |
Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HIRST Charles Huddersfield 9a 341 WOOLHOUSE Mary Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 341
CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER!
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2 May 2009 23:18 |
1851 England Census Name: Mary E Woolhouse Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkheaton Town: Kirkheaton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Almondbury ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 15 Household Members: Name Age George Woolhouse 35 Mary Woolhouse 38 Charles J Woolhouse 9 Martha A Woolhouse 6 Thomas Woolhouse 5 Mary E Woolhouse 3 Joseph G Woolhouse 2 Walter Woolhouse 1 Mo Mary Innman 65
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3 May 2009 00:26 |
Could this be George in 1891 ?
Name: George H Hirst Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Pendleton Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 158 Broughton rd.
Occupation: ? Packer.
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Pendleton ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Lucas 49 Annie Lucas 51 George H Hirst 21 <<<<<< Boarder. Single. Frederick W Lucas 19 Son George A Lucas 16 Son Ethel Hirst 14 Boarder Charles H Hirst 13 Boarder Thomas Hirst 11 Boarder Henry M Lucas 7 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3208; Folio 60; Page 1; GSU roll: 6098318.
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Diane
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3 May 2009 10:53 |
I did think that the census record of Charles Hirst in Manchester could have been him but was told by someone on ancestry that he was their ancestor and not the same family.
Diane xxx
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CherryBlossom
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3 May 2009 12:07 |
Out of curiosity, who was the informant on the birth certificate and what quarter was he registered?
I've found this birth at the same time as your George Hirst was born
Births Sep 1871 (>99%) WOOLHOUSE George Herbert Huddersfield 9a 311
and I can't see any George Herbert Hirst's registered - just plain George's or George Henry's.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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3 May 2009 12:20 |
Mary Eliza Woolhouse Pedigree Female Birth: Christening: 26 DEC 1847 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: George Woolhouse Family Mother: Mary
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Diane
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3 May 2009 13:05 |
Yes that's him.
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Diane
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3 May 2009 13:11 |
I am beginning to think that my cousin has the wrong George Herbert Hirsts birth certificate.
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CherryBlossom
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3 May 2009 13:18 |
There were two George Hirst's registered in the September quarter of 1871 in Huddersfield
Births Sep 1871 (>99%) HIRST George Huddersfield 9a 307 HIRST George Huddersfield 9a 350
No George Herberts but then Herbert could have been added at the christening possibly.
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3 May 2009 13:25 |
Diane,
I think you're right that your cousin maybe has the wrong birth certificate. Can't believe that biography of him is wrong. He would have been found out as to his parentage.
His supposed actual date of birth was 7th September 1871. Still doesn't help with where he was at census time. It does say in one of his biographies that he left school at the age of 10 and went to work for a hand loom weaver, which would have been about 1881.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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3 May 2009 14:38 |
Or could this be your George in 1891??
1891 England Census about George Herst Name: George Herst Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Huddersfield Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews Town: Huddersfield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Wool Cloth Finisher
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Huddersfield ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Herst 50 Widow?? 1841 Huddersfield Frances E Herst 24 1867 Hudderfield Worsted Mender George Herst 19 Huddersfield Wool Cloth Finisher<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
------------------------------------- George Hirst Pedigree Male
Christening: 18 SEP 1870 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: John Hirst Family Mother: Mary Hirst Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
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