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Cook Family, Crewkerne. I have in my tree, John Thomas Cook born O-D 1863 Chard, Crewkerne, have not applied for the birth certificate yet.


Hi everybody
My reason for this thread is i am pulling my hair out in hand fulls hahaha


On the Census John is only listed as Thomas, he is also listed as Thomas on his children's birth certificates. He married Elizabeth Thirza Johnson but i have no idea when or where, please could somebody help me find the marriage as i do not know if he used John Thomas or just Thomas Cook.

He is buried in Cardiff 29/04/1942 as John Thomas Cook with wife Elizabeth Thirza.

But i can follow him while he is married on the census, but before that, it's where i get confused.
There is a Sidney Cook with children John & Thomas in Crewkerne as his children, but Thomas was John not really Thomas.
Why would you name both your children John when they were born 2 years apart and the first John survived and change his name to his middle name Thomas.

Confusion, or do you think i have the wrong family.
Any help would be great.
Thank you just for reading this, and i hope i dont make you as confused as me xxx

Can you add some census info so i can pick them up

You also haven't given any childrens names of birth years

Sorry Julie,

Will post them now.

X

1901 Wales Census

Name: Thomas Cook
Age in 1901: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Crewkerne, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: West Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 290
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cook 38
Elizabeth Cook 31
Andrew Cook 13
Priscilla Cook 11
Emma Cook 8
Lily Cook 6
Ruth Cook 4
Anny Cook 2
Agustave Cook 1 month

1891 Census

Name: Thomas Cook
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliz
Gender: Male
Where born: Crewkerne

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 48a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cook 23
Eliz Cook 21
Andrew Cook 3
Priscilla Cook 1

View original image

And my possibility for 1881

Name: Thomas Cook
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Sidney
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Crewkerne, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Crewkerne
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: South Street
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Groom At Swan Hotel

Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Crewkerne
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sidney Cook 45
Mary Cook 47
Annie Cook 18
Thomas Cook 17
John Cook 15
Bessie Cook 10
Alice Cook 8

oh so thats why i couldn't find them thay are in Wales

On Free Reg there is a baptism of
John Thomas Cooke (sic) - 27 Dec 1863 - Crewkerne, Somerset
Father Sidney occupation servant
Mother Celia

I can't see a marrage for them,maybe it wasn't registered
__________

My 2x Gt G/dad was William on everything but wondered why we couldn't find his birth...well it turned out he was Samuel William

I'm sure when i searched before i came up with another possibility but i can not seem to find it trust me not to save it.

I have Thomas and Elizabeth's son Andrew Thomas Cook Birth certificate Second September 1887 6 Newport Street, Grangetown, Cardiff
Andrew Thomas
Boy
Father Thomas Cook
Mother Elizabeth Thirza Cook Formally JOHNSON
Mother was informant 14/10/1887

Hope this helps.

Elizabeth Thirza Johnson was Born in Clifton Bristol 1869 to Andrew Johnson and Sarah Goodland.

Thomas (John Thomas) Cook and Elizabeth's grand-daughter is still alive, she remembers the funeral and her mother Lilly Cook is buried with John Thomas and Elizabeth Thirza. It does say John Thomas on his headstone, but Thomas on every other document, that's why i am finding it so difficult to follow him before his marriage i can not even find his marriage to prove who his father was.

I hope all of this make sense and that it may help.

Heidi

Sidney and Celia 1861
Sidney Cock
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Celia
Gender: Male
Where born: Chard, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Crewkerne
Ecclesiastical parish: Crewkerne
Town: Crewkerne
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Crewkerne
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Sidney Cock 25
Celia Cock 29
Emma Cock 3
Thomas Cock 1 3 Mo

There is this possibility but it says spouse not found, probably because the number wasn't readable:

Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
Cook Thomas Cardiff 11a 3_9 Scan available - click to view

Thank you Wilma,

I think there is a brother John listed two years later in 1865 with the same parents.

And then my confusion begins why have two children with the same name, and change the first son's name to Thomas though it is his middle name.

I bet i am reading to much it to this,
But do you think i am following the right family?

Julie i acn not thank you enough for looking and i am sorry i had you following the wrong census.
Maybe you are right maybe they didn't get married, or maybe they just didnt reg it.

Thank you so much both for you help
Heid x

What about the Cardiff marriage?

Blossom,

that is the one i keep coming up with, but when i go to the images and look under Johnson, there is nothing there for Elizabeth. The date and place is perfect.
Do you think it is worth me applying for that certificate anyway?
It may come back with the result i need.

Astra,

I have not seen that image before, it looks like he was called Thomas all his life. Maybe thats why he used Thomas on everything up untill his death, in 1942 i guess he would have needed his birth cert to reg the death, maybe that why it has his correct name.

Sorry Blossom,

Im not very quick at typing, i hope you dont mind waiting for me to catch up
Heidi x

Oh no, that's all right! Yes, I tried cross referencing as well but I can't find Elizabeth Johnson at all.

I have just looked to see if there is an Elizabeth in the same Qtr for that marriage that Blossom found and there isn't

Also looked at the image for Thomas in that marriage and you can't make out the middle number

Not at all sure about this one for 1871: EDIT Just checked and both Celia and Leah were born in Chardstock so it would appear to be the same couple.
Could Sidney be John Sidney .
Minnie Cook
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John S
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: Crewkerne, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Crewkerne
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
Town: Crewkerne
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Crewkerne
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
John S Cook 30
Leah Cook 36
Emma Cook 13
Minnie Cook 10
Thomas Cook 8
John Cook 6
Bessie Cook 1

Hi Blossom,

it's so frustrating, i thought it was the marriage.
But i can't find Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Moved between Clifton and Cardiff, her brother was born i Cardiff.
Though i can not find her family after her marriage, i was more interested when Elizabeth was. Her father Andrew was in the Navy. And as far as i know it was only her and her brother Charles John G Johnson. In 1881 she is with her mother at Dock Gardens in Clifton, her mother was Sarah Johnson nee Goodland.
But i would really like to know where they got married, but i think Julie maybe right, they may not have registered the marriage, or even got married at all.
I thought if i had it, it would prove once and for all if Sidney was his father.

Heidi xx