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hi sylvia we have kids births we just cant find the marriges

john alfred forrest born 1909

married 1st wife
dorothy surname unknown about 1928

2nd wife jessie kirkup born 1917 married some time after 1944 as there children carry her surname so we think at that time john wasnt divorced hence kids having mothers maiden name

But the birth certificate should say the mother's maiden name on it


that could help to find the marriage ....... especially if there has been a mistranscription on either freebmd or ancestry.



or



they didn't marry at all!


If you have your dad's birth certificate, what does it say under mmn?


sylvia

we couldnt find his birth full stop and my mum dosnt have my dads birth cert at all ,,,,


so we are going to have to order that

we have my dads mums death cert her maiden name was kirkup on that the death cert

Sylvia

Check the births I posted for George and Joan..........

Ricochet

I did see those, and mmn was Kirkup


....... but those are the children of the second partnership.

I thought they were trying to find DOROTHYs surname, the mother of Dave's father, older brother to those two Kirkup children



sylvia

trying to find the marrigge of

john alfred forrest to
dorothy unknown
thats 1st wife


then 2nd wife was

jessie kirkup



we cant find either marrige for him on ancestry to either wifes wich is odd

tryed changing name round alfred john or john alfred to see if that made diffrence but still no luck on either marriges

Cant find relevant marriage on www.darlington.gov.uk

SORRY-------- take that back.
John Forrest married Jessie Kirkup in 1951

by the way its daves girlfriend doing the searching again now dave isnt that good at all this and i do know what im looking for but at minute im stuck on his granfathers 2 marriges ruddy man didnt make life simple did he hahahahaa daves dad always said that his dad died when he was 10 but there is no record of this .. but then he said he sunk in a ship i think more down the lines he was told this and he may have just walked away from him and his sister and there mother as its seems he has done this before

I understood George to be Dave's father............Jessie is the grandmother

pehaps he didn't marry Dorothy either


if you don't have your dad's birth certificate, it may be because he is listed under Dorothy's name



which is why I'm trying to get from you your dad's name to see if we can find his birth registration!



sylvia

Michelle.
Did you see the marriage I found

Darlington indexes dont give the qt he married but you can order online I think?

Cant find relevant marriage on www.darlington.gov.uk

SORRY-------- take that back.
John Forrest married Jessie Kirkup in 1951

thanks quinsgran

just got to find the other one god my eyes are hurting as inbetween asking for help im looking aswell on other site freebmd and ancestry

Sylva

Dave's father is Jessie's son..................

Read the posting about buying gran's death cert.................

Dave/Michelle

If you buy the cert of the marriage to Jessie, it should say whether he was a widower.....or a divorced man.

Ricochet


what does this mean then

no its forrest as its my mygranfather but my father knows very little of his STEP GRAN or his dads 1st wife just her name was dorothy



I read that as meaning that "dad" was the child of the first wife, and Jessie was his step grandmother


I think I'm confuddled!



sylvia


I read that as meaning that Jessie was his step grandmother

sorry other half dave wrote that he didnt know weather 1st wife was the mother as he could find the kids birth but now i know that his gran is his real gran and his dads mother is jessie kirkup dave isnt very good at this tree thing and gets confused easy


we now know that jessie didnt marry john till after kids were born which now possible means that he left 1st wife for his dads mum and probably wasnt divorced thats why marrige didnt take place till later time

On Darlington site there is a death for a John Forrest in 1955 but it doesnt give an age

Tees Valleyindexes.
John Forrest married Dorothy Smiles 1945 Stockton on Tees

Birth. on Tees Valleyindexes
Dorothy Smiles 1922 Stockton on Tees