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It all fits to me. This looks like the beat option. Now the certificate. Let us know how you get on.

Thank you Eviebeavie



June x

For Toni's family -- the family in the 1901 census record June provided -- sister of Morris Sr:

Births Dec 1893
Griffith Laura Catherine Dolgelly 11b 346

So very probably:

Marriages Dec 1910
Griffiths Laura C Dolgelly 11b 639

Which suggests the family stayed in Dolgelly district, and it was Morris Jr who moved away -- possibly after WWI, as Christine suggested.

In the 1901 census, the Morris Griffith Sr in Toni's family, as shown in the census record June provided, was aged 44.

This looks rather like his death?

Deaths Dec 1906
Griffith Morris 49 Dolgelly 11b 247

So as Christine says -- given that Morris Sr was deceased, and had apparently been dead some 13 years -- "Why do you think that Morris senior and Margaret necessarily lived at Cader Roads"?

John, the family Toni is describing is the one that June graciously tracked for you (although possibly not to the right place in the case of Morris Sr, lol), back from the 1901 household:

Morris Griffith 44
Margaret Griffith 43
Morris Griffith 10
Ellen Griffith 8
Laura Catherine Griffith 7
Jane Griffith 4
James Griffith 2

I didn't notice your thanks for that effort.

Really, skepticism (very possibly unjustified, for reasons some have given) combined with calling for people to do more work for you isn't the best approach for getting help!

Why do you think that Morris senior and Margaret necessarily lived at Cader Roads. They may have done but Morris junior was 19- he may have fought in WW1. He was certainly old enough to have left home and moved to where the work was. We know that Margaret and Morris were in
Dolgelly as they married there. Next step may be try the local archives for electoral roll, etc. Try looking at the Genuki site to get a feel of the area and find out where local records are.

Hi Toni
Thanks for the info, i am not sure if yours and my Morris is the same. I seem to have a problem matching up the family move from Dolgellau to Holyhead, I know that my G/Father was a Morris Griffiths for sure and that he married Florence Purse in Holyhead in Dec 1919 and his address on the b/cert was given as 1 Cader Rd Dolgellau also that his Father was given as Morris as well and deceased at that time. Does any of this sound familiar with you
I think the only way out would be to get Morris Jnrs b/cert to ascertain his parents but i am finding it difficult doing this due to the fact i cannot nail down the area he was born but i do know he was 29 at the time of his marriage giving his DOB as 1890
As i am not very experienced at family search i would appreciate any help you can give
Regards John

Hi there. My Grandfather is John Griffiths the son of Margaret Rees Griffiths and Morris Griffiths. He is brother to Morris Junior. The information I have regarding this family.

Morris Griffiths Snr was born Maurice Lloyd on 28-02-1856 in Abergeirw Bach Llanfachreth to Ellon Lloyd - on father shown on B/cert.
Morris married Margaret Rees at Dolgelley Registry Office 30-07-1883.
Issue:
Evan Griffith 01.07.1884 Llanf D.O.D 25.11.1906 Llanf
Griffith Griffith 10.06.1886 Llanf
John McChreath Griffiths 19.09.1887Llanf D.O.D 1956 Collie Aust
Morris William Griffith 20.06.1890 Llanf
Ellen Griffith 22.04.1892 Llnaf
Laura Catherine Griffiths 14.12.1893 Llanf
Jane Griffith Llanf 25.05.01896 Llanf
James Griffiths 18.07.1898 Llanf D.O.D 27.02.1916 Llanf

Ellen is buried with her Grandson James Griffiths. Ellen James/Griffiths was born 1817 Bap 07.09.1817 St Machreath D.O.D 15.07.1880 Glascoed Llanf.

I hope this helps
regards
Toni

Margerat Rees and Morris Griffiths are looking good as the parents but cannot match up from Dolgellau to Holyhead as Morris Jnr was in Cader Rd in Dolgellau in 1919 at the time of his marriage but where was he before, need to find evidence that Morris Snr and Margerat lived at Cader Rd also
John

nudge for john

Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)
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GRIFFITHS Morris Dolgelly 11b 487
REES Margaret Dolgelly 11b 487




1881 mother


Name: Margaret Rees
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dolgelley, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Dolgelley
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Esgair Gawr
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Gen Serv

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Williams 62
Margaret Williams 55
Edward Williams 28
John Williams 21
Evan Williams 17
Lewis Williams 15
Laura I.Or J. Williams 11
William Jones 67
Owen Jones 17
<<<<<<<<Margaret Rees 23




June x

1881 father Morris

Name: Morris Griffiths
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanfachreth
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Vicarge
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Domestic Serv

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Roberts 44
Jane Roberts 44
Robert Ll. Roberts 6
<<<<<<<<<Morris Griffiths 25 unmarried
Jane Pughe 20
Anne Thomas 16





1871

Name: Morris Griffiths
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanfachreth
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Morris Griffiths 55 farmer
Margaret Griffiths 32 wife
Dorothy Griffiths 7
Griffith James 5
<<<<<Morris Griffiths 15
Jane Williams 18



June x

1891

Name: Moris Griffiths
Age: 9/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Moris
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanfachreth
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfachreth
Town: Rhydymain
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Griffiths 34 married / lab
Evan Griffiths 6
Griffith Griffiths 5
John Griffiths 3
Moris Griffiths 9/12
Jone Williams 32 jane servant




June x

Name: Morris Griffith
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Dolgelly
County: Merionethshire, Montgomeryshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 376 (click to see others on page)




June x

1901


Name: Morris Griffith
Age in 1901: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Morris
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanfachreth
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfachreth St Machreth
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Morris Griffith 44
Margaret Griffith 43
Morris Griffith 10
Ellen Griffith 8
Laura Catherine Griffith 7
Jane Griffith 4
James Griffith 2




June x

I have just found out that Morris Jnr was living at No 1 Cader Rd Dolgellau in Merioneth at the time of his marriage and moved over to Holyhead after he married so he could have been born in Dolgellau still searching for birth info in order to get a cert
John

Thank you all just trying to get my head around things
John

Ah, he seems to have sensibly deleted it. ;) (I searched the boards for the name.)

John -- really it's easy. As you read this, look up top right under

Trying to Find: morris griffiths

There's a button that says REPLY. Click it. A box opens to type a message in. When you're done, click the button under the box that says SUBMIT. Bingo.

Hopefully you and John will find some connection, Christine!

I would particularly like to help as I have a large Griffith family in Llanasa Flintshire and some untraced lines. Just need more input.

Evie I think John tried to add the info you just gave yesterday but added a new thread instead. Ann of Green Gables pointed out the difficulty of doing this and suggested he stick to one thread. I think the other is now getting lost in GR Archives.

We may all have got PMs from John, but just in case, this is the one I received yesterday:

the info i have on Morris Griffiths Snr comes from the Marriage certificate of Morris Jnr which states that at the time of the marriage in Dec 4 th 1919 Morris Snr was the father and deceased and that Mo Jnr was 29 years old and he married Florence Purse
I seem to have hit a frustrating brick wall at the moment and i think i will have to get a copy of Mo Jnrs birth cert to find out about his parentage
I much appreciate your interest and if you have any ideas i would be glad to hear them as i am a novice at family tree research

I explained how to reply in the thread and asked that he put that here, but I'll do it since he must not have been back to the site yet.


I have to note that the info on the marriage cert -- deceased father w/same name as groom -- is common in the case of children of unmarried mothers, who invent fathers when they marry. Morris could be his paternal grandfather's given name, and Griffiths his mother's surname, if that were the case, as that is a common naming pattern as well.

Certainly if you can identify a birth, order up the birth certificate!