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chuckle, chuckle

Why can't you copy & paste? Cos you don't know how?

Ozi.

Sorry, still here.
Cant copy and paste so was taking notes, trying to put things in order.
Thought I was the only one up but should have guessed by your name you would be to! Just made OH some supper so an excuse to stay and play longer!
I am hoping to get this sorted asap so i can give a nearly complete tree to the mother in law this weekend, (she thinks I am perfect so why spoil it).

I cant thank you enough for your help, I have managed to climb over some brick walls in the past but this was way to high for me

Angel x

William Baker is still at Maryport Cottages in 1901 but John C & family are not there. Possibly already in Newcastle.

Sorry, Angel, had to rush off for breakfast. When my husband makes it I drop everything because I don't want him to stop doing it.

Ozi.

Ozi
Just googling it now, my sister in law lives up that way now, just working out how far she is from her ancestors!

OMG, practically next door
see they werent that hard to find LOL

You have been great Ozi, a HUGE big hug to you
Gonna be up all night making sense of it now (that will impress the OH)

Angel x

Also look at address.

1881 England Census
Name: William Baker
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: St Cuthbert Without Botchergate
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address: 7 Maryport Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Locomotive Engine Driver (Ry)
Registration district: Carlisle
Sub registration district: St Cuthbert
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Baker 29
Annie Baker 29
Mary E. Baker 4
Ada Baker 2

If it was me, Angel, I would copy & paste the whole thread. Then you can sort it out in chronological order at your leisure.

Ozi.

Look where they are living!

1881 England Census
Name: Patrick Baker
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilkenny, Ireland
Civil Parish: St Cuthbert Without Botchergate
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address: 1 Maryport Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Lab On Railway
Registration district: Carlisle
Sub registration district: St Cuthbert
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Baker 69
Sarah Baker 60 - St Cutherts Carlisle [image is Cuthberts]
Edward Baker 19 - son; Policeman City Force; St Cuthberts, Carlisle
Aruther Baker 16 - son; Lab On Railway; St Cuthberts, Carlisle

I am putting these details on paper as I am getting them, and gee you should see this piece of paper, scribbles and lines everywhere!
My side of the family was a doddle but I have to admit, this is what its all about I suppose
Thank you all again for your patience with this

Angel x

1851 England Census
Name: Catherine M Baker
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Castle Nb, Midlothian (Edinburgh), Scotland
Civil Parish: Botchergate
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Carlisle
Sub registration district: Wetheral
ED, institution, or vessel: 8g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Baker 40 - Kilkenny, Ireland
Sarah Baker 30
Rosanne Baker 8 - Dunbarton, Scotland
Catherine M Baker 6
William James Baker 10 Mo

By, they got about this lot like

(see am getting stressed, the Geordie in me is coming out!)

(greying) Angel x

Angel, yes it looks as if Annie married later in life. She would've been about 43.

I can't find hide nor hair of them in 1901. Still searching.

Ozi.

UPDATE:
Sorry, Angel. I'm trying to find John C Baker in 1901. 1861 came up and that looks like him with his parents. If this is his family, his father is Irish, mother born Carlisle & sister, Catherine, born Scotland. Patrick is a labourer & Chelsea pensioner which means he was in the army which explains Catherine's birth. All other children born Carlisle.

There's a good chance Sarah is his 2nd wife. There's quite a gap between Catherine & the next child.

I am getting all confused!
Give me a minute to work all this out :-(

1861 England Census
Name: John C Baker
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Botchergate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Carlisle
Sub registration district: St Cuthbert
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Baker 50
Sarah Baker 41
Catherine Baker 16
William Baker 10
Rosanna Baker 6
John C Baker 2
Robert Alben 43

Ozibird

that would mean they were not married until after all the children were born, so Baker is her maiden name given to the children and on Stanleys military records his mother is shown as Mrs Cuskern as they were married by then?
Am I on the right lines?
You have to bear with me as am not really bright when it comes to this!

Angel x

This looks like Annie's future husband. He has quite a large family.

1901 England Census
Name: John Cuskern
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne

And I wonder if this is his father.

Deaths Mar 1892
Baker John Charles 42 Newcastle T. 10b 46

You said he might have a brother, Charles. There's a John C on the census, same as his father. Perhaps John jnr was called Charlie to avoid confusion.

Ozi.

Do you think this could be his mother?

Marriages Sep 1903
>>>>BAKER Annie Newcastle T. 10b 167
>>>>Cuskern John Newcastle T. 10b 167
LEE Selina Newcastle T. 10b 167
MCCOURT John Joseph Newcastle T. 10b 167

If she came from Ireland she could have gone anywhere before meeting Stanley!
Looks like she is going to more fun to trace than him lol