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If you could possibly post 1851 censuses please.
I have lots of family in all of the areas including Birling, Plumstead and Croyden so I am interested.
Christine

Christine,

You have been really busy!!

Thanks for the potted history regarding Penge. Gruesome!!

The 1881 info regarding Charles Stead is correct. Charles is the father of Elizabeth and Charles R W.

I am not sure about the Jemima Earl link though.

As requested, I will try to summarise where we are at this time..........watch this space.......

Peter

Sablon,

Louisa & Florence are step-sisters (same mother different fathers) and yes, your findings are correct.

You can find them together (the step-sisters} on 1911 census

Peter

Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
SMITH Sidney Walter James N Aylesford 2a 320

1841 Address: Fort Pitt Street, Chatham
SMITH, Walter M 27 1814 Kent
SMITH, Hannah F 27 1814 Kent
SMITH, Harriott F 7 1834 Kent
SMITH, Ellen F 4 1837 Kent
BANKS, Richard M 25 1816 Kent

Ellen was James Richard's neice so this is presumably his brother.

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
EARL Jemima Sheppey 2a 863
Smith James Sheppey 2a 863

could be this one?
1841 Address: Rose Street, Minster
EARL, Thomas M 40 1801 Kent
EARL, Jemima F 40 1801 Kent
EARL, Jemima F 15 1826 Kent
EARL, Charlotte F 15 1826 Kent
EARL, George M 11 1830 Kent
EARL, Matilda F 0 (6 months) 1841 Kent

In answer to your question re Penge 1877

The Penge Murder Mystery





Have you heard of Forbes Road in Penge? Probably not, as it was renamed Mosslea Road after the scandalous events known locally as the Penge Murder Mystery of 1877.



No one wanted to be associated and known to be living in the same road as the murder - and so a decision was made to rename it.



The murder mystery concerned the suffering of a poor, helpless woman and her baby who were locked away and starved to death. Understandably the nation was horrified, and an inquest was held in an upstairs room at the Park Tavern in Station Road, Penge, at the end of Forbes Road.



Two brothers named Patrick and Louis Staunton were charged along with their mistresses, sisters, Elizabeth and Alice Rhodes with the murder of Harriet Staunton, whom Louis had married earlier, probably for her money.



Harriet and her baby died through neglect and starvation, rather than murder, but these two deaths caused a local and national outcry.

1881 Address: Cathall Road 38 Lascalles Road, Low Leyton
STEAD, Charles Head Married M 33 1848 Bag Maker
N K
Surrey
STEAD, Lavinia Wife Married F 33 1848
N K
Surrey
STEAD, Lavinia H Daughter Single F 8 1873
Old Kent Road
Surrey
STEAD, Elizabeth I Daughter Single F 6 1875
Penge
Surrey
STEAD, Alice A Daughter Single F 3 1878
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Charles R W Son Single M 1 1880
Scotland

Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Lawes Lavinia Camberwell 1d 1126
Stead Charles Henry Camberwell 1d 1126



Births Dec 1872 (>99%
Stead Lavinia Harriet Camberwell 1d 703


Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)

Bastick Samuel John Hampstead 1a 1311
Herbert Thomas Hampstead 1a 1311
Inglis Olive Rosalie Hampstead 1a 1311
Stead Lavinia Harriett Hampstead 1a 1311

1861 Address: 59, James Street, St Giles Camberwell, Lambeth
STEAD, Charles Head Married M 35 1826 Painter
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1823
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Charles Son M 13 1848
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Clara Daughter F 12 1849
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Louisa Daughter F 9 1852
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Edwin Son M 5 1856
Stepney
Middlesex
STEAD, Mildred Daughter F 2 1859
Camberwell
Surrey
STEAD, Alfred Son M 0 (9M) 1861
Camberwell
Surrey

1841 Address: South Street, Queenborough
BATCHELDER, James M 54 1787 Kent
BATCHELDER, Mary F 60 1781 Kent
BATCHELDER, Henry M 25 1816 Kent
BATCHELDER, Frederick M 20 1821 Kent
BREEZE, John M 14 1827 Kent
BREEZE, James M 13 1828 Kent
DURNAT, Emma F 20 1821 Kent

Note there are Breeze families living in Greenwich


Not sure how this fits but I am sure it does.
1861 Address: High Street, Queenborough
BREEZE, Scott James Head Married M 64 1797 Independant Minister Of...
Ramsgate
Kent VIEW
BREEZE, Frances Wife Married F 61 1800
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 37 1824
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Scott Grandson Unmarried M 4 1857
Didcot
Berkshire
BATCHELDOR, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 Housemaid
Queenborough
Kent

1861 Address: South Street, Queenborough
FENARD, William Bills Head Married M 75 1786 Proprietor Of Houses
Eastchurch
Kent
FENARD, Mary Wife Married F 71 1790
Queenborough
Kent
FENARD, James Son Unmarried M 40 1821 Grazier
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Mary Daughter Married F 31 1830 No Occupation
Queenborough
Kent
BREEZE, Fanny M Granddaughter Unmarried F 3 1858
London City
BREEZE, John Grandson Unmarried M 1 1860
London City
AUSTIN, Emma Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 Servant
Queenborough
Kent

Sorry
My grand daughter woke from her nap. Back for a little while though.
I have things buzzing round in my head not quite clear,
Any chance of a summary.

is this florence

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
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Smith Florence Elizabeth J Medway 2a 606

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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PURKISS Louisa May Sheppey 2a 983

Christine,

I have done yet more digging and interestingly, on the 1861 census, there is recorded a Mary A Brace, but when I looked on the original, lo and behiold, it should read Mary A BREEZE!! I guess this is the wife of James Breeze (ex-partner) a sister of James Richard.

Peter

Hi Sablon,

Thanks for the message.

You are quite right, both James Breeze's birth and death info bears out that he is the right man.

I have his name on a birth certificate for Florence - daughter of James Breeze and Elizabeth Isabel Stead (1897)

I also have Elizabeth Isabella's and Albert James Purkiss's names on the brth certificate for Louisa May Purkiss (1908) see also 191 census.

I will check out however the Smiths of Bolton, but I fear it is too soon after the demise of James Breeze.

Peter

Hi Christine,

I did some checking regarding the Birling Smiths and you are right, James Richard Smith (1822) married to a Jemima sired James Breeze Walter Smith in 1868. James Breeze was named after his father's ex-partner James Breeze (1929) see 1851 census. James Richard continued to live in Birling for most of his marred life. In the 1861 census, his wife was named as Jane (Harwich 1829) but in the 1871 census she named herself as Jemima (Harwich 1829) NOTE: James Breeze was born in Queensborough Isle of Sheppey about 1829)

Confused?...........you will be (or are you already?)

Peter

ps I wonder what happened in Penge 1877??

1841 Address: St Margaret Street, St Margaret, Rochester
SMITH, James M 55 1786
SMITH, James M 19 1822 Kent
SMITH, Mary F 17 1824 Kent
TAYLOR, William M 6 1835

There are Smiths in Birling 1841
but not James c1822

There is a Rookery Farm but not
Rookery House, Horne Street, Birling

There are no Breezes in Birling 1841

Can someone check out 1851 as that is not yet avaiable on Findmypast.

this is the only marriage i could find for Elizabeth after his death

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Bradbury William Bolton 8c 509
Darwen Annie Seed Bolton 8c 509
Shore Frank Bolton 8c 509
Smith Elizabeth Isabella Bolton 8c 509

Although Elizabeth was registered in Croydon She was born in Penge Kent.

Penge formed a part of the parish of Battersea, with the historic county boundary between Kent and Surrey forming its eastern boundary.[1] In 1855 both parts of the parish were included in the area of the Metropolitan Board of Works, with Penge Hamlet Vestry electing six members to the Lewisham District Board of Works.[2] The Local Government Act 1888 abolished the Metropolitan Board, with its area becoming the County of London. However the London Government Act 1899 subsequently made provision for Penge to be removed from the County of London and annexed to either Surrey or Kent. Accordingly, an order in council transferred the hamlet to Kent in 1900, constituting it as Penge Urban District.[3] The urban district was abolished in 1965 by the London Government Act 1963, and its former area merged with that of other districts to form the London Borough of Bromley. With the creation of the Penge Urban District, Penge New Road (formerly the part of Beckenham Road north of Kent House Road) was renamed Penge High Street.

From 1885 the Hamlet of Penge was a ward of the Dulwich (UK Parliament constituency)(then in Surrey) and remained in that electorate until 1918 when it was transferred to the new Bromley (UK Parliament constituency). From 1950 to the present it has been in the Beckenham (UK Parliament Constituency).In future elections Penge will become part of Lewisham West and Penge (UK Parliament constituency)

In the Victorian era Penge developed into a fashionable suburb because of its proximity to the relocated Crystal Palace. By 1862 Stanford's map of London[1] shows large homes had been constructed along Penge New Road (now Crystal Palace Park Road and Penge High Street), Thick Wood (now Thicket) Road and Anerley Road. This all came to an end with the notorious Penge Murders of 1877

Deaths Mar 1900

Smith James Breeze W 32 Medway 2a 512


well the last marriage did not take place as he was dead



bought forward the birth


Births Dec 1867


Smith James Breeze W Medway 2a 403


The district Medway is in the county of Kent