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Final cry for help - certs received

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EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 15 Feb 2009 23:44

Hmm, she's the only person in that household? It's possible, even though they didn't marry until 1913; she could have been calling herself married. George and the daughters are somewhere else ... is either George or Sarah recorded as a visitor on census night? Can you tell whether there was anyone else in the household she was in?

And the 1911 census was supposed to reveal all!

JenW

JenW Report 15 Feb 2009 13:01

dont think the 1911 one is her but here it is

1911 Census Household Transcript

Search againName: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: Report error View Original Page
MARSH, SARAH HEAD MARRIED 1 YEAR F 36 LANCS L'POOL
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MARSH SARAH (RG14PN22471 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED28 SN366)
Address 42 ROCKINGHAM ST KIRKDALE LIVERPOOL County Lancashire
District West Derby Subdistrict Kirkdale
Enumeration District 28 Parish Kirkdale

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Feb 2009 18:09

Oh, duh. I reread post 1. You knew all that already. See, we aren't always so smart. ;)

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Feb 2009 18:07

Back to 1911 - I searched for George Marsh born in Australia, no other criteria, and got one:

MARSH GEORGE HENRY 1854 57 West Derby Lancashire

Older than your info, which I think was 1864.

I can't tell who's in the household with him.

But aha, he shows up on a search for Marsh with Barett in the household. So do the search in reverse -- Barrett with Marsh in the household ... suspense ...

BARRETT GRACE GERTRUDE 1904 7 West Derby Lancashire
BARRETT HILDA EVELYN 1907 4 West Derby Lancashire

but no Sarah.

Searching for a Sarah in West Derby with George Henry Marsh in the household, there ain't one.

There's this Sarah Marsh:

MARSH SARAH F 1875 36 West Derby Lancashire

but no Barrett in the household, and no recognizable Marsh.

I'd pay for a peak at the George Henry Marsh household, I think!

JenW

JenW Report 13 Feb 2009 16:40

yeh, 1891 seems to be a tricky one. i now think the sarah eaton in 1911 is incorrect too.
thanks for all your help evie
Jen

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Feb 2009 15:58

Annie Annie Annie. Our "Jonas" Eaton was the father of someone who married in 1873 -- Celia Eaton who married Thomas Barritt. Hm, are you thinking they may have had a son Jonas Barrett before marrying? There doesn't seem to be any match there ...

The main problem being that our "Jonas" Eaton was really Amos Eaton! If I'm recalling correctly. ;)

So Jen, we dunnit! 'Tweren't no guessing. Sheer collective brilliance, that's what 'twere.

Let us know if you find Sarah in, what was it, 1891?

;P

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Feb 2009 13:06

1881
James Richd. COLLINS Inmate U Male 7 Scholar
Charles Ed. WILDMAN Inmate U Male 10 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Lionel SHAWCROSS Inmate U Male 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Roland SWANN Inmate U Male 7 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Richard Henry TAYLOR Inmate U Male 8 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
James Heywood WALKER Inmate U Male 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
John Thos. WILLACY Inmate U Male 13 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Thomas KELLY Inmate U Male 7 Scholar
John SMITH Inmate U Male 6 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
John TURNER Inmate U Male 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
John COSTELLO Inmate U Male 9 Scholar
Jonas BARRATT Inmate U Male 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Wm. Joseph BARRATT Inmate U Male 9 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Thomas BINNS Inmate U Male 14 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Henry KILSHAW Inmate U Male 12 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Lawrence COSTELLO Inmate U Male 6 Scholar
Robert GREAVES Inmate U Male 9 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Albert GREAVES Inmate U Male 6 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Joseph MC MANUS Inmate U Male 6 Scholar
Thomas HARGREAVES Inmate U Male 9 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution The Industrial Schools Swinton Lancashire
Census Place Worsley, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341927
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3879 / 108
Page Number 19

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Feb 2009 13:05

1881
James DUFFY Head M Male 60 Ireland Blacksmith
Eliza DUFFY Wife M Female 48 Ireland Silk Weaver
Catherine BARRETT Daur M Female 21 Mchester, Lancashire, England Silk Weaver
Jonas BARRETT Grand Son Male 9 m Mchester, Lancashire, England
Annie DUFFY Daur U Female 18 Mchester, Lancashire, England Silk Weaver
Lizzie JEROYLIE Boarder W Female 30 Mchester, Lancashire, England Doubler In Mill (C)


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Source Information:
Dwelling 102 Lind St
Census Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341951
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3984 / 57
Page Number 46

JenW

JenW Report 13 Feb 2009 12:16

I can't believe the guessing worked! Thank you so much. I received the birth certificate of the Sarah Emily Barritt born Burnley in 1873 today. The parents listed are Michael Barritt, a plasterer, and Cecelia Barritt formerly Eaton. Sarah was born 23rd April 1873.

I have also received the marriage certificate of Michael and Cecelia, although it does look like it says Cellerie/Celleric as it's transcribed on freebmd. They married on 24th September 1870, he was 23 and a plasterer, she was 22 and a heeler. His father was Tom Barrett, a labourer and hers was Jonas?!? Eaton, a basket maker. Both addresses at time of marriage says Keighley Green.

Hopefully I can now prove that the rest of the info is correct.

Thanks again
Jen

Richard

Richard Report 10 Feb 2009 19:17

GEORGE MARSH BORN 3RD QTR 1872 W.DERBY LANCS 8B 381

GEORGE MARSH MARRIES SARAH BARRETT 2ND QTR 1913 I W.DERBY LANCS 8B 671, ANY HELP RICHARD.

JenW

JenW Report 5 Feb 2009 17:53

Thank you so much guys, you've given me so much to work on!!
Jen x

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 4 Feb 2009 03:54

But the lesson here is: when you're down to your last gasp for help, come bang on Dee's and my heads. We make quite a team, no? ;)

And regardless of where Sarah Emily was in 1891, we do know *who* she was now.

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 4 Feb 2009 03:52

I have to admit I gave up. ;)

... and wandered off to play with the descendancy of William Wells Brown ... about which I am highly sceptical ...

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Feb 2009 02:59

Stuck now, but did find this;

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about Cecilia Eaton
Name: Cecilia Eaton
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1848
Age: 22
Father's Name: Imas Eaton
Spouse's Name: Michael Barritt
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse's Father's Name: Tom Barritt
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1870
Marriage Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Feb 2009 02:14

You can't kill her, anyway she'll be already dead!!!!

can you kill a dead person???

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 4 Feb 2009 02:08

Okay, kill Emily Bennett.

1881:

Name: Emily Bennett
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby St Werburgh

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Feb 2009 02:06

Looks very likely to be her, seeing as they have a son the same age so as you say, she can't be a daughter to the family.

Poor soul looks like she maybe had a hard time of it!!!

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 4 Feb 2009 02:05

One possibility I've been looking for is that by 1891 she was simply shacked up with somebody and appears under his surname. She would have been 18, it would have been possible ...

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 4 Feb 2009 01:59

Nyah ha ha. Hmm.


1891

Name: Emily Bennett
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: St Werburgh


I figure it's unlikely the servant has the same name as the household. The name is entered separately on the census sheet, and does seem to say Bennett, but ...

She's not going to be a daughter of a household where the head is a grocer and the son is a professor of music, d'you think?

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Feb 2009 01:50

SNAP!!!!

OK, yours is first!!!