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Just an update ,if interested,The 1841 census barbensbin ??
They turned out to be Le Barbenchon Family.But the Auguste is not my man.He Is Pierre auguste.not Theodore Auguste.
But, John and Helen,NOW. Have found their marriage in france.Is the son of Guillaume Le Barbenchon and Jeanne Roussel ((Rouxsel )
Guillaume Le Barbenchon Married a first time to Louise Truffert.
This was before Jeanne as he and Jeanne were godparents to Pierre Auguste..
Now my pain Theodore Auguste's age seems to have been up and down on the census's never too sure,and never found a birth.c1819.So now i am thinking,the age on his death must have been right age 53,did not match .on census,BUt if he was the grandson son of the first marriage his birth would be c1829.a diffrence of 10 years.going by his death.
So i am looking at a possible match with Guillume le barbenchon as his grandfather This would explain why the children's godparents of Theodore matched the names in the 1841 census for John and Helen,he could be his nephew .All the census's for theodore Auguste seem to be wrong,as in age and where born.His wife Desiree Agnes age is correct all the way even birth and death match and i have traced her back to Equerdreville where her father was born and her grandfather.They all lived and died there,so she has been sorted,The census said ,on all but one that she was born France,not so,found her birth in Guernsey.So ,were they wrong about Theodore being born France,. I think he was born in Alderney. and that his mother may have been born France.So if i am right about the name change .They have been wrong so far about his age ,about his birth and about the name.
confused!! I was, but not now.I will be gutted if i am wrong on this hunch,and it all started when i found a 1841 census.

anyone want to help on this one

Just had a reply from Alain on Juezgenealogy,He dosn't live in Normandy but has offered to send my letter to his club in Cherbourg.Maybe they will be able to help,lets hope.

had a peep,your right it is way off,looks like in those years they all left manche,In the year i am looking for it is packed,

oh bother
French is'nt a problem ,i do plod along,that is the closest to his birth that i found. We know the marriage is possibly cherbourg,but we do not know where he was born,could be anywhere

If you search for Auguste-Theodoric BARBICHON

and then click on "Birth, Marriage & Death" in the list on the left, you'll see gazillions of Barbichons in the Marne BMDs.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBICHON

I think this is not going to be your peeps ...

It says it's in French -- if you just get somebody to copy and paste it, and you add it here, I'll translate it for you.

Note that it does say Marne, which is not where you're looking really. So I wouldn't get too too excited. ;)

Ah yes. The link is: GIVE US MORE MONEY!!!

Sadly, I do not pay a sufficient proportion of my income to Ancestry to access that record.

You should post and ask for this very specific lookup. Give the url for this thread and just ask for details of that record. You need somebody with the great big everything subscription. I am useless to you. ;)

Gimme a link!

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found this Evie HEEEEEEEEELLP ancestry put in barb*on

Name: Auguste-Theodoric BARBICHON
Birth: date - city
Residence: location
marne france births 1501--1907

i have wrote to Jeuzgenealogie.and found another on genenet to write to ,Lets hope they reply.so far so good.

just had a look at the names de famille site,a lot of names on there that i recognise ,have a good look tomorrow, getting tired been up since 6

catch you later Evie

You can still do the search and see the results w/o the details. (I hadn't even realized I had access to details.)

Search form:

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1129&enc=1

Ditto for any search at Ancestry beyond 1881 -- you can see results, just not details.

yes thats the problem not a paid up member ,can't aford it at the mo,.pity.

Talking of slaves there was a father Jean Barassin who fought to free the slaves,before 1800s read it a while back and he was noted to have visited Alderney.can't think where i found that ,must google it up again,

Why do we all end up with the ones who aren't on the trees, hm?

When I first started, I would get replies amounting to "well I don't think so". And I'd have to present all my credentials and persuade them either that I was so descended from so-and-so, or that so-and-so did so exist and is so your person's brother/sister/child!

So my name sleuthing was good after all.

And so -- if you have contact with someone descended from a sibling of Auguste's, she doesn't know any farther back than his parents?

Usless cousins. ;)

I wonder whether they came from France but via somewhere else.

Did you notice the Brazil-born Barbenson in the censuses?


Name: E S Barbenson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Bio De Jancies, Baitich
Civil Parish: St Clement
County/Island: Jersey


Yes, Bio De Jancies, former capital of that well-known South American country Baitich. Yeesh.

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Heck, they could have been in New Caledonia for a time. ;)

The occurence of the name Barbençon / Barbançon among the slave populations in Trinidad and Mauritius really is an interesting tidbit. Oh, you're not at Ancestry? If you are, just search for the surname barb*on.

And a couple of closer variants:


Slave Registers of former British Colonial Dependencies, 1812-1834
about Barbashon
Name: Barbashon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1738
Age: 79
Gender: Female
Colonial Dependency: St Christopher
Owner Name: Henrietta Garnett
Record Date: 1817

Name: Barbichon Barbu
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Age: 25
Nationality: Mozambican
Gender: Male
PARISH: Plantation Slaves, 348-687
Colonial Dependency: Mauritius
Owner Name: Gaillardon
Record Date: 1826


Can't think of what the connection would be, just strikes me as odd there are so many by those unusual names in those lists.

If you can work it, the list is here:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&fa20=&fa19=barb*on&rg_81004011
__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f12=&f8=&f35=&f21=&f25=&f27=&gskw=&prox=1&db
=britishslaves&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=rfs&gst=&so=3

yes i agree with what your saying and believe me i have been checking on variations of the name .It is Barbenson in Alderney ,But i do not think this Barbenschon family are connected,Mind you saying that ,the french are well known for changing names especialy when there are a lot of the same family ,Barassin could be a dit name and they sometimes take the mothers name,but not in this case,Also they sometimes take the name from the place they came from,French research is not as straight forward as english ,The name could change from each generation.
as i said before i know Le Barbenchon and Barbenson are originated from the same name.the name came from a village in belgium .I have been intouch with Melany who put the entry in iGI,but alas she did not even know Auguste was a son,the only one she did not have,It's like he don't want to be found.
all i can be sure of is dept Manche Cherbourg for the marriage.I found Jean Francois on genenet born 1791 the right age, but nothing to his name,so i can't find his marriage to Helen,if it was France,Looks like he had most of his family fgn before coming to guernsey . But why would guernsey put fgn on census if they came from france normaly they just put France

re "the auguste on 1851 barbenson" -- yes, I understood he wasn't yours (since yours is already known in 1851).

What I meant was that it was an interesting entry from the point of view of possible name variations.

That Auguste was French, and "Barbenson" is not a French name.

What I was wondering was whether Barbenson is an anglicization of (le) Barbenchon, and so it could be worth tracking down some by that surname.

Actually, I stand somewhat corrected. Search for Barbenson in quotation marks ("barbenson") at google and there seem to be a number of instances of that name in France.

An estimated 156 people at present:
http://www.nom-famille.com/nom-barbenson.html

I do suspect it is a variant of the same surname.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_Alderney

Judges
Nicholas Barbenson (1st time)(acting) 28 Apr 1836 - 26 Nov 1836
Nicholas Barbenson (2nd time)(acting) 29 Nov 1836 - 15 Dec 1856
Thomas Nicholas Barbenson 9 Oct 1876 - Oct 1892
Nicholas Peter Barbenson 5 Jun 1897 - 1912


1871
Name: Thomas N Barbenson
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderney, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Ann

1841
Name: Nicholas Barbenson
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1770
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderney, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: Alderney


That family seems to be of long standing in Aldernay.

But hmm, in the latter 1800s it was in a different bit of France, so the connection may be tenuous after all, and the name independently French rather than an anglicization.

http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBENSON

- 2 births 1891-1915 in Nord département and concentrated in the same area after that.

Oh, and so Barbançon -- which would be pronounced exactly like Barbenson -- is more likely related to that batch.

It's all worth checking out, even if it does end up looking unrelated after all!

Oh Sablon -- I didnt' mean time-wasting! There was every reason to believe his name was what you thought it was -- and in fact it was, at all other times.

Now as to "Barbensbier", I can assure that ain't a name. ;) I haven't seen the original, but I've looked at the image at Ancestry, which does look that way. If the original does plainly say Barbensbier, it would only be because someone misread the household schedule it was copied from.

(It helps to know how it's been transcribed e.g. at Ancestry so anyone interested can actually find the record to see the details of the household, as I reproduced them.)

"Now ,going back to Le Barbanchon's I did say i had searched IGI"

I know. But when yer looking for help, it doesn't help if only you know what records are there. We need to know too.

"The map in france won't help much as you cannot get back to the earlier years"

Yes, I understand that too. I thought it was useful for showing that the surname was still so uncommon and so concentrated in only that one region of France even that late, so you can really be very confident that it is the place to be looking for the family/name.

Googling finds numerous people today with one variation of the surname or another. I think I would just start contacting them and asking what they might know about the family history! You never know, you might find one who is a genealogy buff and could know of a connection with you.

I also thought the professor in New Guinea could possibly be a very interesting source. He shares the surname *and* he is an expert on emigration from France.

I guess my main point was that I would make sure to cover all the surname variants when searching:

(le) barbenchon
(le) barbanchon
lebarbenchon
lebarbanchon
and also
barbançon
le barbançon

the auguste on 1851 barbenson ,checked that out before ,married to someone else.married in alderney.My auguste married in France according to mrs Minot who does Alderney research