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Hi
Yes the certificates that i have both say James Buckby gower.
They state his occuption as Britannia Metal Smith, as with the 1911 census.

I have also learnt from a relative that they seem to think they did used a double barrelled surname - Ward Gower.

Do the marriage certs still give fathers occupation? and do both give his name in full i.e "James Buckby "

Erving/Irving is James brother.

Who are Erving and Mary A Gower in 1901
Ering born same place as James and now living in Yorkshire ,not found on other census years
cannot find them yet in 1911
Birth index
Births Sep 1873

Gower Tom Irving Stamford 7a 329
or
Births Jun 1871

Gower Erving Grantham 7a 448

Death index
for one of them
Deaths Mar 1890

Gower Irving 17 Stamford 7a 237


marriage
Marriages Mar 1900
Gower Erving/ Parker Mary Ann Sheffield 9c 658

Nope, but that is a relation. It's the son of one of James Buckbys brothers :D

THis is the only Gower birth I have found in 1900/1901 in Sheffield. Any possibility Harry changed his name?

Births Jun 1901
GOWER Ernest Irvine Sheffield 9c 639

clutching at straws here!!

This is the info for James and family in 1911 -

GOWER, JAMES HEAD MARRIED BRITAMERA METAL SMITH DUNKIRK GRAWTHORN
GOWER, MARY WIFE MARRIED 16 F 38 YORK'S SHEFFIELD
GOWER, HARRY SON YORK'S SHEFFIELD
GOWER, JAMES L SON M 6

there is another james same place

GOWER JAMES 1800 1911 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding

these are from 1911 census find my past.i have not got any credits left to go into original page

Catheine, on the actual image it says he is 9yrs old.

Where do you get James is 62 from Catheine?? On the transcript and image i have it clearly says he is 46 which he was cause he was born in 1864

with the age gap between James and Mary i would think he was married before,

on the 1911 census i looked at they have not put Harrys age just birth 1800-1911 Ecclesall

there are 2 annies one aged 46 Huddersfield and one aged 53 Hunslet

GOWER JAMES M 1849 62 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding
GOWER MARY F 1873 38 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding
GOWER MARY F 1889 22 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding
GOWER JAMES L M 1905 6 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding
GOWER HARRY 1800 1911 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding

Thanks everyone, you've all been great and any further help but be appreciated.

“James Leeson Gower born 1905 to James Buckby Gower and Mary Gower formerly Ward.
Alice Ward Gower born 1902 to James Buckby Gower and Mary Ward Gower formerly Howard.”

“Fairthorn, the maiden names were Mary Ward Gower formerly Howard and Mary Gower formerly Howard”

“the normal way of putting mothers maiden name on (English & Welsh) Birth certificates is to use ' formerly' not nee.”

“can only say I have mutiple marriage certificates & they say xxxx formerly xxxxx when they have married before"

From Catherine’s info I would guess Mary’s maiden name was Howard and HER mother’s name was Ward – possible Mary Ward at birth and then her mother married a Howard and she also took his name or the Howard children had family surnames as middle names.

I can only say I have mutiple marriage certificates &
they say xxxx formerly xxxxx when they have married before


So on this thread what is Mary's maiden name?

WARD OR HOWARD ?

sory felt I must butt in here after reading through this out of interest
FAIRTHORN - the normal way of putting mothers maiden name on (English & Welsh) birth certificates is to use ' formerly' not nee. On all the ones I have (and I have many) they all say eg 'Mary formerly Smith'.
Don't know if this helps in this case or confuses it but it saves looking for that extra marriage.

Yea i guess Catheine but i have his school records and his ages from both marriage certs that all all up

don't put too much on the age at death

i have a gg/grandfather with a 10 year mistake at death

No, haven't managed to find Annie on the 1911 one as yet.

It says Mary was born abt 1873 in Sheffield

Have you found ANNIE GOWER on the 1911 CENSUS

& how old is MARY in 1911 & where born
so we can look on the 1901 census for her.

No idea but she obviously did unless she remarried another Lee.

Catheine, thats about 10yrs to early for Harry :) He was born around 1901/2