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Yes must be, in 1891 the father was a horse keeper

Helen

Okies,

I'm beginning to think Mary is a second wife?

Unless she's rotating her names?

1891 England Census
about Joseph Lewis
Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Pendleton

Joseph Lewis 32
Elizabeth Lewis 29
Joseph Lewis 6
Mary Lewis 3

If he married in 1901 he would have only been 16, so proberly lied about his age.

I agree with Helen, or they married after some of the children were born and just stated 10 years to ensure all the children looked like they were within wedlock on paper?


Tracey x

1901 England Census
about Mary Lewis
Name: Mary Lewis
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Looks like two different people, this ones born Manchester

Yes i thought that, but it's pinning a death to Elizabeth.... there are a few....!!

Tracey x

Hi All

Been collating all the information that you've given me,I think its evident that Joseph 1858 was married twice.
To Elizabeth as 1891 Census having two children Joseph Jnr 85 & Mary 1883 but does not appear in the 1901 census.

Sorry was having lunch.....

I'm going to take a look and see when Minnie and Cathleen were born and if as the census suggests they are twins. It could be the trigger point we need.

We need to establish when Elizabeth died and which children are hers.


Tracey

Carry on from the first message
His second wife was Mary with whom he had 4 children Lily 1892, Cathleen & Minnie (Twins) ? 1893 and Beth E 1897.
All we need to know now is the name of Joseph juniors wife.

Thanks to All (especially Tracey x and Dea)

U Reds

There is nothing to say all the children on the 1901 are Mary's indeed none of them maybe.... Elizabeth could have possibly died having the last child.

Thats the only problem with the pre 1911 census's they did not often show step families correctly.


Tracey