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LILY CROMPTON (nee Poole) emigrated to America in 1920 with her daughter, Ellen Crompton (known as "Nellie").
Due to the efforts of a number of very kind 'Genes' members, the following information will, I hope, help me to locate my great-aunt Lily's descendants.
Lily was born Lily Poole in 1890 to Esther Poole (nee Owen) and Thomas Poole (born salford). Her siblings included: Ellen Poole (my grandma), Reuben, Ernest, Thomas and Esther.
She married Thomas Crompton in Bolton in 1910 and they had a daughter, Ellen, born around the same year.
In 1920 she "upped and left" for America, taking Ellen with her. 10th April 1920, bound for Ellis Island, they set sail with a Mrs Poole (who was, in fact, Lily's mum, Esther Poole). Destination: Pawtuckett, Rhode Island.
FIRST MYSTERY: They are reported as going to stay at 5, Carpenter Street with a Mrs Hutton who is classed as a "sister" but she is a mystery. She cannot have been Lily's sister since I know they all remained in England. She can't have been the mum's sister as I know they never left England! Who was this mysterious Mrs Hutton?
Lily Crompton subsequently married James Day but was she ever divorced from her first husband? I know that she left him but am not sure when he died (leaving her free to remarry) or if they divorced.
Lily (now LILY DAY) died in 1978, by which time it would appear that the families had lost touch as her death was never mentioned. So sad, since my grandma (Ellen) had been very close to her sister, Lily, and Lily had sent clothes over regularly for her niece, my mum. I would love nothing better than to reunite the families. My sister (who is 13 years older than me) remembers two of Lily Day's grandchildren coming over to visit. Their names were Bruce and George (nicknamed "Georgie") but cannot recall their surname. So, unless Lily had more children, they must have been her daughter, Ellen (Crompton)s boys. Who did Ellen marry?
I hope this message reaches the far lands of America and that some kind soul will help me in my quest. I just wish I'd asked my mum to write everything she knew down before she died, back in 1997!
Kindest Regards,
Julia

I wish you had just added to your previous thread, Julia. You're mis-stating things, Lily didn't set sail with her mother in 1920, she listed her mother's name as "nearest relative or friend in country whence alien came". She listed Mrs. Poole as friend even though you're sure she was her mother. Only Lily and daughter Helen set sail.

Hi Margaret,
It's kind of you to take the trouble to reply. I only started a new thread because I thought it opened a new chapter in my search. I'm rather naive as yet about the use of the 'community search' facility so thankyou for advising me. I don't want to put anyone to any trouble unnecessarily. Do you think I should add this to my existing thread and delete this one, if that is possible? I welcome your comments and value your experience. Please can you tell me if the "Mrs Poole" mentioned was simply 'Mrs Poole' or did they state a first name? You say it said she was the "nearest friend or relative" also from England? Is that correct? It is just that the family 'records' (little that they are) said that Lily's mum (Esther Poole) went out on her own to be with her daughter; hence the assumption.
Please let me know what you think I should do re: the thread.
Thankyou, again, for taking the trouble to point out any errors and for your help.
Kind Regards,
Julia

I have no idea if this is any use to you, but this family were living at 5 Charpentier Avenue in 1920. They were English.


1920 United States Federal Census
about Elizabeth Hutton
Name: Elizabeth Hutton
Home in 1920: Pawtucket Ward 1, Providence, Rhode Island
Age: 35 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1912
Image: 657
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hutton 38 worked in a cottonmill, emigrated 1909
Elizabeth Hutton 35 em 1912
Florence Hutton 16 weaver in a silk mill, em 1910
Harold P Hutton 13 em 1912
Florence E Hutton 12 em 1912
Walter Hutton 10 em 1912
Rose Mary Hutton 5 b Massachusetts


Liz

Hi,
Wow! That is brilliant! Since there is an 'English' connection, I can go to the census repots here and see if I can work it out! Thankyou so much. This could prove invaluable!
Kindest Regards,
Julia

1930 United States Federal Census
about Elizabeth Hutton
Name: Elizabeth Hutton
Home in 1930: Pawtucket, Providence, Rhode Island
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
John Hutton 47
Elizabeth Hutton 46
Ellen Hutton 7 10/12 daughter

They are now living in Cullen Avenue and both are silk weavers. According to this the year of immigration for both of them was 1909.

Thankyou. I know that my 'Pooles' and 'Owens' were cotton weavers in England so now I need to try and find the connection.
Kind Regards,
Julia

I think this could be the mother
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Moth In L Esther Poole(I think MIL is not on image?)
Arrival Date: 9 Dec 1924
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Age: 14 (Looks like 66}
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Celtic
Search Ship Database: View the Celtic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3582
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Manchester, England
Page Number: 148

Julia,
On Lily and Helen's passenger list, Lily is down as being a weaver. It is strange that they both have ' Friend, Mrs Poole, 169? High Audley Street, Blackburn, Eng.' as their nearest relative or friend in country whence alien came. Other people have mother, father etc besides their names.


Liz

Lily in 1930.


1930 United States Federal Census
about Lillian Day
Name: Lillian Day
Home in 1930: Cumberland, Providence, Rhode Island
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: James F
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
James F Day 40 b Maine, loom ? in a cotton mill
Lillian Day 38 weaver in a cotton mill
George F Day 15 son
Helen Crompton 19 stepdaughter, b England, stenographer in an office

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Sorry, Julia, i didn't mean to nit-pick, it's fine starting a new thread. It's just that I had to try and find the old thread to see what I'd said. No problem!
As far as the Ellis Island site, there is a column headed "Name and address of nearest friend or relative in country whence alein came" and it's in that column that the name Mrs. Poole, friend is written. No first name.
I just wish I could read what's written beside Mrs Hutton's name. There's an insert where first name has been entered and something else written after it but I just can't make it out!
If you want to have a look at it, the Ellis Island site is free, you just have to register. After you find the name you're looking for you click on "ship manifest" to see the originals. You sometimes have to go back and forth to find the page with the names. After you do, take note of the line number and there is more info on the previous or next page without the name. That's why you need the line number.
Sorry, that doesn't sound very clear.

The mother came home
- UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name Age Birth Date Arrival Date Port of Departure Port of Arrival

Esther Poole 66 abt 1859 10 Aug 1925 New York, New York, United States Liverpool, England

Snap!! She was returning to 24 Grimshaw Park, Blackburn and was classed as a housewife.


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Esther Poole
Name: Esther Poole
Birth Date: abt 1859
Age: 66
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Aug 1925
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Boston
Ship Name: Samaria
Search Ship Database: View the 'Samaria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 145923

Oh! Esther Poole did go in 1920, arriving 2 Oct. She's 57 with Thomas Poole, miner, 34. They list, as nearest relative in England, Mrs. Sharples, 187 Narobi St., Blackburn, daughter of Esther, sister of Thomas.
They're heading to Pawtuckett, Rhode Island to visit Mrs. Sutton, 5 Chawpertick Rd, Pawtuckett, sister of Thomas.
This is getting confusing!

Hi,
I appreciate your help, and all the leads are brilliant. I will look on the Ellis Island site.
I have had a quick look through the census reports in England to see if I can work out who John Hutton is but it seems to be a common name. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but I can't seem to find the correct marriage and can't seem to find the correct people either. My mum's side of the family are so elusive! The Huttons must be 'family' of some sort but...where do they fit in? If I can get her maiden name, it will, no doubt, give a clue. Hey ho. I shall keep trying the 'Ancestry' site census info and BMD's and hope I'm lucky. All the information everyone has supplied has been fantastic and I feel a bit inadequate not even being able to find my own family in a census.
Thankyou for everything,
Kindest Regards,
Julia

Hi Margaret!
Yes, they're an elusive bunch alright!
The "Mrs Sharples" is Lily's sister, Esther (nee Poole).
Lily had a brother called Thomas Poole (my mum's Uncle Tommy) who was born in 1885. I'm not sure whether or not he was a miner. But if he is going to visit his sister (who went out in April) then he is going to visit Lily! As you say, it's confusing. If Lily was Crompton, then Day, she can't also be Sutton...or Hutton...Yes, very confusing.

The details for Esther that Jim/Thelma found has her going to Valleyfalls, Rhode Island. Her nearest relative or friend in country whence came from is Mr Poole, son, 20 Manchester Road, Barnoldswick?
Also travelling with her, I think, as her name is right under their group, is Joseph Moxham,38, woodsawyer, his wife, Ellon 29, and daughter, Esther, 3. Esther snr is mother in law to Joseph, so Ellon must be her daughter. (Lily's sister) Their relative or friend is Joseph's brother, Mr Moxham, 20 Manchester Road, Barnoldswick? Same address as above.


liz

Yes, that's right. Joseph Moxham (my grandad) had two brothers: William(known as Billy, born 1886) and Thomas ('Tommy'. Born 1889). Goodness knows which one it was, though. I don't know which one lived in Barnoldswick but that's really odd because my sister lived there when she was first married! I'll ask her and see if she remembers anything. Do you think that may be bringing us closer to the Hutton/Sutton mystery?

The "son" referred to could have been one of three, as Lily had three brothers: Reuben (1881); Ernest (1883) and Thomas (1885). So, one of those three was living at the same address as one of their brother-in-law's. Whew! But who was Sutton/Hutton? Maybe they were no relation but only friends and maybe my Aunt Lily needed to be able to state where she was going to live before they would let her into the country...maybe ?

Got to go make dinner for hungry kids but will return later.

Liz