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Happy New Year Viv


and everyone else.



OH is half-Welsh, and was actually born in Wales, just! He also went to school in Colwyn Bay




Me? I'm a proud "mongrel" from Lancashire!




sylvia
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Christmas Davies is there, never mind Bah Humbug!

Sorry folks, will have to go to bed. Just posted a long reply homing in on Bruce's 1881 Peter Davies, but lost the lot. The 1881 fella is unmarried, does that matter?, but Bruce if you look closely at the census image he is a Stone Cutter too, there are light ditto marks below Robert's entry.

Not sure why Bruce has mentioned Ann Jones.

Surely if John Davies's mother did not marry Peter until later in life, John would have known that he wasn't his father. But maybe he just used the name for ease.

Yes Ladykira I think we communicated before on this.

Sorry for repeating myself, I have just got to find this man.

This fella is important to me. So I am really grateful for your research.

Speak tomorrow.

Margaret

Okay, I have a new theory, Peter was John's stepfather. His mother was Ann Jones who was married to Henry Jones.

1861

Name: John Jones
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales <<<
Occupation: Stonemason <<<

Civil Parish or Township: Gwespyr

Henry Jones 48 Rate Collector, eeeeww, who would admit to that?
Ann Jones 48
Thomas Jones 25
John Jones 20
Samuel Parry Jones 16
County/Island: Flintshire



1871

Name: Peter Davies
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1816 <<
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales <<
Occupation: not shown but HOH who seems likely to be his brother is stone cutter <<<
Condition as to marriage: U.M.

Civil parish: Greenfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Holywell
Town: Greenfield
County/Island: Flintshire

Robert Davies 54
Ann Davies 53 wife of Robert
Peter Davies 55


He sure looks like the 1881 Peter Davies I am so fond of.

I would very much like to see what could be done with that one I put up above from 1881


Name: Peter Davies <<
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1816 <<
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann <<
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales <<
Civil parish: Llanasa <<
Occupation: Quarryman <<<<


He just ticks every single one of the boxes. Right age, right wife, right place, right occupation. Is he the same as the one with the possibly switched sons John and William? I'm too tired today to try to sort that out but I will return to the charge, lol.

I have waded through my file, and am finding the same problem that I had last time I tried. Several possible Peters and Annes/Janes, but most of them don't follow through the censuses, or if they do there is no John.

I'm a bit happier to accept that Peter might have been a miner of some sort, after other Taffs told me a Quarryman was definitely different.

At one point I searched for married John Davies's to find a wife dying around 1890, but that also found nothing conclusive. Have spent money on useless certificates - and will still do so if anyone thinks anything is worthwhile.

Sorry if your help seems to have led to nothing, but it has sparked new interest for me and fresh thinking, and Bruce's idea of ages being switched I hadn't thought of (though I have had it happen before).

Maybe his birth father wasn't Peter. Maybe his birth father died and his mother married a Peter, whom he thought was his father. Maybe he isn't recorded as John Davies in 1841. Maybe I'll never know.

Margaret

Christmas Davies ... bah humbug.

Hahahahaha.

Just so's you all don't think I am ignoring you, I have an entire file on the Welsh Davies lot, I am going to get it out after a long time of inactivity and compare with what you have found so far.

I have even, at some point, been in touch with someone on the Llanasa community group, but it got me nowhere. I saw the pair at the Miners Arms a long time ago but for some reason couldn't find them again.

There is also a couple with a Christmas Davies you might come across - if you're still keen to try!

Thanks

Margaret

sorry my eyes are boggled with Davies and cnt remember which one is which.Thought it better to repeat one rather than miss it.

Yes Ladykira I posted that on the previous page for info because it was the one Madmeg was talking about.

This fits with one mwntioned earlier



JOHN DAVIES Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 08 DEC 1840

Christening: 27 DEC 1840 Cyssegr Congregational Or Independent, Mostyn, Flint, Wales

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: PETER DAVIES Family
Mother: ANNE VAUGHAN


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Here is a Peter Davies with wife Ann in in 1861

Name: Peter Davies
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Mold, Flintshire, Wales
Occupation: Labourer

Civil Parish or Township: Leeswood
County/Island: Flintshire
Registration district: Holywell

Peter Davies 47
Ann Davies 40
John Davies 20 <<<< collier
Joseph Davies 12
Moses Davies 10
Christina Davies 5
Ann Davies 1

Ladykira this is your Peter in 1841

Name: Peter Davies
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Gender: Male
Where born: Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llansa
Hundred: Prestatyn
County/Island: Flintshire

Peter Davies 27
Jane Davies 27
Ann Davies 1

wife seems to be Jane and no son John.

And now let me throw in another one, lol

1881

Name: Peter Davies
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llanasa
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Talacre Lodge
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Quarryman <<<<

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Whitford

Peter Davies 65
Ann Davies 63
Joh Davies 5
Martha Williams 37

'Joh' is 'Jos' though I think, he is grandson.

That Peter seems to fit all the specs for the one we need, maybe he became a quarryman after being a coal miner?

I have a funny feeling we have corresponded on this before we chose our board names. About a year ago I believe.

Just found this one. Jane may have been mistranscription for Ann. I cannot check the original at the moment..

1851 census - household transcription
Person: DAVIES, Peter
Address: Miners Arms, Llan Asa
DAVIES, Peter Head Married M 37 1814 Mason
Llanasa
Flintshire
DAVIES, Jane Wife Married F 32 1819
Llanasa
Flintshire
DAVIES, Anne Daughter Unmarried F 10 1841
Llanasa
Flintshire
DAVIES, Diana Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843
Llanasa
Flintshire
DAVIES, Catherine Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845
VIEW
DAVIES, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848

DAVIES, Samuel Son M 1 1850


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Vivienne, the John Davies bc says simply Whitford.

Yes, Bruce, it is possible that the ages could have been switched, and John is the 5-month-old, given the birth you found for William. Good find, never saw that.

Sorry I am really tired, must go to bed, will come back tomorrow, not often I do this, but four days of feeding the family has taken its toll on me.

Night night.

Margaret

Is this yours Madmeg


1841 census - household transcription
Person: DAVIES, John
Address: Canoldre, Llanasa, Gronant
DAVIES, William M 30 1811 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Ellizth F 29 1812 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Jemima F 4 1837 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, John M 0 (11 months) 1841 Flintshire VIEW
CONWAY, Alce F 11 1830 Flintshire VIEW
CONWAY, Ellizth F 7 1834 Flintshire


My OH family Griffiths family come from there and Davies from Northop

Trust me not to read to the end. Sorry,

Sorry, didn't appreciate the response I might get to my blase attempt to lay claim to Welsh Ancestry.

Vivienne, don't change the title, I don't want to spoil your thread.

Bruce, it is so long ago that I asked about John Davies I can't remember who found what, but it was definitely not a lot. I promise I will not be wasting your time purposely. Everything I have told you is vouched for. John Davies is my direct line and I have every possible document available for him. I just don't know where he came from.

I will have to read your replies carefully.

Magaret

Have you considered this one in 1851?

Name: John Davies
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitford, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bychton

Peter Davies 44 I think it says 'coal miner'
William Davies 15
Maria Davies 14
John Davies 10
Hannah Davies 7
Thomas Davies 5
Mary Davies 50


I was actually looking for Hannahs in Bychton because in 1851 there is a Francis Evans 1823 nephew of Thomas Davies and Jane Davies in Bychton ...


Aha that is the same household as the 1841 John Davies you discounted because it says he is 5 years old

Elizabeth Davies 70
Mary Davies 35
>> Peter Davies 30 collier
>> Anne Davies 30
John Davies 5
Maria Davies 3
William Davies 5 Mo
Civil parish: Whitford


Did William's and John's ages get mixed up in 1841?

WILLIAM DAVIES
Christening: 10 JAN 1836 Whitford, Flint, Wales
Father: PETER DAVIES
Mother: ANNE
Source Information:
Batch No.: C056731

I wondered whether Peter Davies and Anne Vaughan were not married ...

Looking in that same batch for Vaughan births there is

THOMAS VAUGHAN OR EVANS
Birth: 10 JAN 1848
Christening: 11 JAN 1848 Cyssegr Congregational Or Independent, Mostyn, Flint, Wales
Father: FRANCIS EVANS
Mother: HANNAH VAUGHAN

Hannah and Ann(e) are common variants of the same name ...

But Hannah Vaughan had a son John (no father) in 1850 in that batch too.