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Married Mary Ann Green 1875 Islington (I have certificate, his father was William)
Had 5 children all born in London:
Emma Marian 1876-1914
Albert James 1881-1918 (I have marriage certificate showing father as John James Smailes)
Rose Gertrude 1885-1915
Minnie Ethel 1887-1916
Amy Violet 1889-?
John died in 1891 Islington (I have certificate) aged 49
I have searched but not been able to find Census records for him can anyone find out where he was born?

Now, I mean this only slightly non-facetiously ... but I wonder whether he was related to the Jane Smailes that no one could find anywhere last week??

The common possibility is that his father had died (or sometimes not) and his mother remarried/formed a new household and the child was reported under the stepfather's surname. Let's have a look ... I promise not to go as nuts as I did in the Jane thread, lol. Sometimes wild theories are the absolute truth, sometimes they're just a way to spend two hours.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1103967

What age was he when he married?
His occupation?
His father's occupation?
Also Mary Ann's father's name and occupation?
Any sign of a sibling or other relation as witness on the certificate?

Search records - 1901 census (England and Wales)
These are the details for all individuals who lived with Emma M Smailes on the night of the census.
1901 census record for household of Emma M Smailes «Back to results
Address 8 East Street
Civil Parish Islington
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet London
Ecclesiastical Parish St Michael
Parliamentary Borough or Division West Islington
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Islington
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name Albert J Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Van Guard
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Amy V Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 11
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Emma M Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Envelope Folder
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Mary A Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 49
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Charewoman
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Minnie E Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Port Errandgirl
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Rose J Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Hats Cap Mak
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
What can I do next?
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The only John James Smailes birth 1838-1860:

Births Mar 1854
Smailes John James
Stokesley (Yorkshire)
9d 369

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Name: John J Smailes
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Uncle
Gender: Male
Where born: Stokesley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Kirby in Cleveland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stokesley
Sub registration district: Stokesley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 36

James Hunt 33
James Smailes 31
John J Smailes 7
Marg Smailes 31


Uncle? Let's check that image.
-- edit -- the "Un" obviously for unmarried is in the wrong column; he would be "son".

Wrong father's name, if it's his father.

And now the right one in 1861. Will check image for middle initial.

Name: John T Smailes
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Stokesby, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Darlington St John
Town: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Darlington

William Smailes 33 - born Yorkshire, Snarlsworth? occupation Currier
Mary A Smailes 33 - born Yorkshire, Stokesley
Elizabeth J Smailes 2
Henry E Smailes 6
Isabell Smailes 1 Mo
John T Smailes 8 - I make it 50/50 J/T.
Margaret E Smailes 4
Mary A Smailes 10
Thomas Smailes 13


He's a year older than he should be, and the middle initial is iffy, but there's no other birth in the GRO to be him.


(I like the occupation of the widow Robson next door: "Keeps A Mangle". Probably wasn't a lot of fun ...)

looks like you're doing well Evie!


I'll look back later to see if you need any help :))))





sylvia

Go find Jane Smailes.

roflol!



I gave up on her




sylvia

Now that Penelope has the birth date and place and parents' and siblings' names, I'll leave the fun for her.

Over to you, Penelope!

Thanks you lot, didn't expect so much so fast.
Snowflake - I already have the 1901 Census details.
Evie - the death certificate puts him born about 1842. John's marriage certificate states 'full age' and he was a Cooper (also on death cert.). His father William was deceased at the time of marriage, no other datails. Mary Ann was also 'full age' and her father was John Green, deceased.
Witnesses were George and Marian Gatrill.

You didn't say that in your header!!!!





aaarrrgggghhhhhhhhh




sylvia

Didn't say what?

John died in 1891 Islington (I have certificate) aged 49 (copied from header, work it out!).
John already dead by 1901.
Other details were asked for.

I should have waited for the answers.

No, wait ... you should have given all the information you had in the first place.

You knew his DOB, you wanted people to look for him ... and youdidn't give his DOB ...

Excuse me, work it out?

You meant that jocularly, I know.


You gave the info, but not in the form it was expected. It usually looks something like "born abt ___". We didn't recognize it. Creatures of habit.

I don't have his date of birth just the age he was when he died - and I gave that!!

I've spent a lot of time searching ancestry.co.uk and the only thing I have is that he may have been on board the 'Cobden' in Kent at the time of the 1881 Census. IF that is my relative then he was born in Middlesborough about 1840 but I can not be sure.
I was hoping there might be someone out there who has him as a sibling of a relative?

Well, that's the one I was just about to copy here.

There's no matching birth, but registration wasn't mandatory.

It's possible a cousin may drop by someday. The odds are next to nil. We who enjoy digging up other people's bones took our shot.

Thanks. I do appreciate any help I get, and I've had my fair share from people on this site.