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24 Nov 2008 16:16 |
Some BENBOWS ON HERE
May be useful when you find Florence as these on here may be kin.
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/STS/Croxton/MIs.html
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Rebecca
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24 Nov 2008 16:27 |
hi sue what a very kind offer of help, thankyou i really want to find her parents names and any possible siblings. she was my uncles mother and she died when my uncle was 5 weeks old and as a result he was bought up by his paternal grandfathers second wife and has no knowledge of his mothers family,
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Rebecca
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24 Nov 2008 16:29 |
hi fairthorn thanks for that link how very useful !!
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sue
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24 Nov 2008 16:38 |
no probs rebbecca i'll get back to you thursday ok?
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Rebecca
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24 Nov 2008 16:40 |
sue that would be fantastic, i look forward to hearing from you!! thankyou for being so very kind!!
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24 Nov 2008 16:48 |
Just thought on a Death cerificate for 1938 is the BIRTH DATE on there.
This would be helpful for Sue if she finds the parish book for baptisms.
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Rebecca
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24 Nov 2008 21:32 |
no there is no mention of her date of birth on the death cert or even on her gravestone, its a mystery
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sue
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27 Nov 2008 17:10 |
hi rebbecca sorry to get back so late ln the day. not much news sorry can not find the baptism of florence mabel looked in croxton-eccleshall-stone- standon,there is 1 other church slindon but the records for this church are kept at the church. also cannot find a baptism for a john benbow at these churches either, so do you know if they perhaps moved into the area ? however there are alot of benbows at the time in eccleshall area! 1 being a william benbow a bricklayer,don't know if this is any help by the way
i did find a marriage at eccleshall holy trinity church.1908 John Thomas benbow age 31 a batchelor living eccleshall a labourer father james a carpenter, Lucy rowley age 39 a WIDOW living eccleshall father henry Swannwick dcd witnessed by frank johnson/ lucy hocknall
i tell you this because it might be significant to whats next 1st swannwick must have been lucy's maiden name before her 1st marriage. 2nd and perhaps more telling when i looked at florence( mabel)& james thomas's marriage details you gave me the witnesses are a C SWANNWICK&GLADY'S JOHNSON i hope this hasn't caused to much confusion and if their is anything there that might be any good let me know ANYWAY i hope this is something for your uncle baptism of twins april 20th 1927 FLORENCE MARGARET & JAMES THOMAS BORN TO JAMES THOMAS & FLORENCE MABEL BRADBURY AT HOLY TRINITY CHURCH ECCLESHALL. FATHER IS DOWN AS FARM LABOURER. rebbecca i'm sorry this is little help but i will keep my eyes open for you and let me know if there are any further leads hope to hear from you all the best sue
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sue
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27 Nov 2008 17:17 |
forgot to ask where did the bradburys come from?
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Rebecca
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27 Nov 2008 20:03 |
hi sue, firstly let me thankyou for taking the time to look this information up for me, its very much appreciated!!
the marriage between john thomas benbow and lucy rowley nee swannwick, is very interesting, as i would think SWANNWICK is not a very popular. surname and it seems to link both benbows.
im wondering if these could actually be florence mabels parents, and its florence mabels mums sister or brother who is witness to her marriage to james thomas bradbury??
as for florence and john moving to the area that could also be possible as the only evidence i have is florences marriage to james at croxton.
the baptism of the twins is also interesting as one or both may still be alive, and have more information.
in response to your question about the bradburys, they all seemed to have been from forsbrook staffs, and later james and florence moving to blackbrook, maer, staffs.
let me thankyou once again, you have certainly given me some things to think about. ill be intouch soon and let you know if i come up with anything else.
thanks again best wishes rebecca
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Rebecca
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27 Nov 2008 23:02 |
hi sue in relation to the marriage between john thomas benbow and lucy rowley nee swannwick ive found a record for john
1901 census record for household of John Benbow Address Shortwood Civil Parish Standon Rural District Stone Town or Village or Hamlet Village Of Standon Hamlets Walford Bowers Weston & Shortwood Ecclesiastical Parish Standon All Saints Parliamentary Borough or Division N Western Div Of Staffordshire County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Administrative County Staffordshire Householder 1 Name John Benbow Relation to Head of Family Servant Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 23 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Waggoner On Farm Employment Status Where Born Croxton Staffs Householder 2 Name Sarah Downing Relation to Head of Family Servant Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 13 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Kitchenmaid Domestic Employment Status Where Born Cotes Heath Staffs Householder 3 Name William Key Relation to Head of Family Servant Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 22 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Cowman On Farm Employment Status Where Born Chebsey Staffs Language Infirmity Householder 4 Name Patrick Moran Relation to Head of Family Servant Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 27 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Labourer On Farm Employment Status Where Born Rosscommon Ireland Householder 5 Name Alice Thompstone Relation to Head of Family Daughter Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 38 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Dairymaid On Farm Employment Status Where Born Sutton Cheshire Language Infirmity Householder 6 Name Mary Ellen Thompstone Relation to Head of Family Daughter Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 34 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Sutton Cheshire Householder 7 Name Noah Thompstone Relation to Head of Family Son Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 25 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Farmers Son Employment Status Where Born Sutton Cheshire
Householder 8 Name Noah Thompstone Relation to Head of Family Head Condition as to Marriage Widower Age Last Birthday 70 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Farmer Employment Status Where Born Gawsworth Cheshire
although with him being a servant it doesnt give us any other info
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sue
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28 Nov 2008 13:43 |
rebbecca just found birth reg of florence mabel b rowley born march qtr 1906 stone district staffordshire
just a thought that maybe she was born a rowley then took the name of benbow after? sue
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Rebecca
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28 Nov 2008 14:05 |
hi sue
that would fit in with the marriage you found. in 1908 of john thomas benbow and lucy rowley.
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sue
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3 Dec 2008 15:51 |
hi rebecca, the story so far ( i hope)
LucySwanwick was born 4th child of ten to Henry and Lucy Swanwick @ Ellenhall Staffs. baptisms all at Ellenhall ST MARY; oct 17th 1858==Samuel mar 24th 1861== Dinah july 26th 1863==MaryAnn dec 15th 1865== LUCY aug 18th 1867== Fanny mar 13th 1870==John Henry mar 1st 1872== James july 5th 1874== Ezekiel jan 14th 1877== Alice aug 3rd 1879== Annie Jane father a labourer
Lucy then married John Rowley (born 1857) married 1887 Eccleshall they had 2 kids both baptised at chapel chorlton st lawrence nov 6th 1887 ==Alice Martha june 23rd 1889== James William Chapel Chorlton is in the parish of Eccleshall but after 1890's the records are still at the church ( if it is still open). James dies in 1894 and by 1901 lucy is living back with her dad and james ,alice is a servant at ranton
consequently i can not find a baptism for FLORENCE MABEL ROWLEY OR BENBOW in any of the parish registers for that area this doesnt mean she wasnt baptised because the vicars sometimes forgot to enter them!.
However bapt at Croxton St Pauls. oct 19th 1876== Sarah Ann Benbow jan 31st 1878 == JOHN THOMAS BENBOW Both to james and Julia/ Julietta? James is a Carpenter 1881 cencus Croxton James Benbow H 38 joiner from Cheswardine Salop Julia Benbow w 36------- from blythe marsh Forsbrook John Thomas s 6 scholar from croxton Elizabeth Johnson Benbow age 2 from croxton ( i know the ages dont match up but remember kids sometimes weren't baptised in the same year as birth; plus i'm not sure if elizabeth is a benbow?) 1891 croxton James Benbow widow 50 carpenter Cheswardine John T Benbow s 13 ag lab from croxton
mother Julia born Julia Henrietta Fordan (Foden) born 1843 blythe marsh dillhorne forsbrook married 1874 and died 1890 Anyhow John Benbow marries Lucy Rowley in 1908 and i have discovered that another child existed at Holy Trinity Eccleshall bapt nov 16th 1908 Mary Victoria Benbow ( sister to Florence ) to John Thomas and Lucy living Eccleshall him a labourer i went upto 1927 when the twins were born and could find no more. Holy Trinity's records are held at church after then, as are most churches. john benbow died i believe around 1922 stafford district. Rebbecca i'll leave you to decide if this information is correct, i can only tell you what i have found. i can't get to records until after xmas now, but if you would like me to check anything in the new yearjust look me up on genes trees as sue mills. Ihope you and your Uncle and families have a lovely xmas and a succesful new year. All the best Sue
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Rebecca
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3 Dec 2008 18:31 |
hi sue i just wanted to thankyou for all your help and hardwork, its really appreciated!!! i will have a look at all the info you have kindly provided and let you know the outcome. i look forward to hearing from you in the new year, thanks again for the information, best wishes for xmas and the new year. rebecca
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