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Usa Census 1891 / 1901 lookup needed.

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alviegal

alviegal Report 8 Nov 2008 20:28

Looking at the image, she should be on page 1507 which is this one.


Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Keys Thomas Gateshead 10a 1507 Scan available - click to view
Robson Jonas Selby S Gateshead 10a 1507 Scan available - click to view
Walters Mary Jane Gateshead 10a 1507 Scan available - click to view

There is a birth for Robson/Walters so maybe she married Thomas Keys. Obviously this is all guess work and you would need the certificate to be certain.


The only birth for Keys in Gateshead after 1904.


Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
Keys Mary Gateshead 10a 997


Liz

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 Nov 2008 20:09

Wow she doesn't seem to have much luck with her husbands does she? I wonder which one she married.

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Henry Thomas Gateshead 10a 1508 Scan available - click to view
McMullen Thomason Barker Gateshead 10a 1508 Scan available - click to view
Peacock Jane Elizabeth Gateshead 10a 1508 Scan available - click to view
Richardson Sarah Gateshead 10a 1508 Scan available - click to view
Veitch Anthony Mossman Gateshead 10a 1508 Scan available - click to view


There is a Veitch/Peacock and some Henry/Richardson births showing in Gateshead so she possibly married the missing groom.


Liz

mgnv

mgnv Report 8 Nov 2008 08:00

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
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Barker Jane Newcastle T. 10b 118
Gray James Newcastle T. 10b 118
Todd James Newcastle T 10b 118


1860 TODD James
1860 BARKER Jane
Marriage venue - Cathedral of St Nicholas
NuT Ref: Register No./Entry No. ECA7/31



1861 England Census
Civil Parish: Chester Le Street
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 7 High Flats
Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 48

James Todd 26 Embleton Head M Coal Miner
Jane Todd 26 Felling, Durham, England Wife M
Francis Todd 2 Mo High Flats, Durham, England Daughter

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3759; Folio: 69; Page: 10; GSU roll: 543183.

Linda

Linda Report 7 Nov 2008 23:33

Hi.***alviegal***

By, This Thomasin has been busy,
I have Just found a Death for a Michael McMullen 39yrs.1903. Gateshead.

A Marriage took place Thomason Barker McMullen Sep 1904 Gateshead.
There was only 2 Grooms Transcribed.

Also found a Death of Michael McMullen age 20yrs 1918.Gateshead, possible chance this is Thomasin`s Son.

Linda x

Linda

Linda Report 7 Nov 2008 23:02

***alviegal***

I am pleased to hear I have`nt bored you with my story.
James came from a family of 9 children including my Gt Grandfather Robert, there was about 6 of them all died by the age of 40yrs.
with the Surname `Browell` being rare I have found them fairly easy to follow.

Hopefully, I may have more news to give very soon.

Most grateful.
Linda x

Linda

Linda Report 7 Nov 2008 22:51

Hi ***alviegal***

Thanks for the above information.

I found Jennie`s possible Birth mistranscribed as Jennie Mcnulty mar 1895 Gateshead.

Thanks.
Linda x

alviegal

alviegal Report 7 Nov 2008 21:43

Possible births for the McMullen children. Thomasine's children?


Name: Patrick McMullen
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 942 (click to see others on page)



Name: John McMullen
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 944 (click to see others on page)


Name: Michael McMullen
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 934 (click to see others on page)

alviegal

alviegal Report 7 Nov 2008 21:25

Hi Linda, they were living at 71 Elswick Street, Gateshead in 1901. I couldn't find a marriage when I had a quick look.
That was a lot of fun, thank you, but what a sad, sad story if they never met again. James would not have seen his youngest child and perhaps that's another reason the family did not emigrate. Perhaps William was too ill to travel and by that time the father had also become ill.
Please keep us posted with whatever you find as I would love to know if you find living relations etc.


Liz

Linda

Linda Report 7 Nov 2008 00:10

Lisa. Thanks for everything, I will keep you posted on my findings.

Linda x

Lisa J in California

Lisa J in California Report 6 Nov 2008 23:57

Linda, I've enjoyed myself. I love reading about history and enjoy learning more. I would love to hear about any results. (You're so lucky that the possible census returns were found in England, too!) I wish I had that kind of luck.

Linda

Linda Report 6 Nov 2008 23:36

Hi Lisa,

I was thinking on the same lines as you, after I posted my last message.James going alone on the Journey...
I will continue looking and find marriages for the boys if I can.
I believe that Liz and Jeanette have found Thomasin, but will get a birth certificate of one of the boys.

Gateshead,Durham is only a train ride away from Newcastle upon Tyne.

I will also look for the Marriage of Thomasin & her husband Michael too.

I am extremely grateful to you all for helping me on this Journey the help & support has been tremendous.

Linda x

Lisa J in California

Lisa J in California Report 6 Nov 2008 22:59

Hi Linda: I'm not convinced that Thomasin ever went to America. I can't find her or the boys entering America and I guess other's cannot find her returning. I have a couple of ancestors who left England and settled in Canada then a couple of years later the families joined the husbands in Canada.

If I remember correctly, all of Thomasin's children were born before he left England?

Looking back over the posts...he possibly arrived in America November 1888 and was in the union home by 1893. So, let's say he settled in Colorado around 1890 or so. Then, possibly was going to send for the family, but became ill before they could get here. If family and friends were not allowed to see their husbands, there wouldn't be a reason to bring the young children all the way to Colorado. I believe it would have been a difficult journey once they arrived in America; possibly too risky or expensive to travel a great distance to be with someone who could not see them.

Linda

Linda Report 6 Nov 2008 22:23

***alviegal***.Jeanette & Lisa.

How Brilliant are you all.
I cannot believe you have found Thomasina.
I am absobutely overwhelmed & many thanks for your help on this family of mine.

***alviegal***

Can you give me the Address of where the family lived on the Census please., if it is`nt too much trouble.

So I take it Thomasina may have went to Usa, then returned back to Uk after James Death.

I shall get one of the boys birth Certificates to confirm this,



You are all Stars.

Many Thanks again.
Linda.

Lisa J in California

Lisa J in California Report 6 Nov 2008 21:28

Referring to his obituary that Linda posted earlier:
"OBITUARY: Browell.-At the union home.Colorado Springs.America On Nov 30th.aged 35yrs. James Martin. Son of Hannah Jane and the late William Henry Browell and beloved husband of Thomasin Browell of this city- Evening Chronicle 1893.

The Evening Chronicle is in Newcastle upon Tyne, England."

To me, it sounds like Thomasin was still living in England. Well done on finding all of the census returns! It certainly does look like you both found her, eh?

alviegal

alviegal Report 6 Nov 2008 21:05

Maybe this is young William at the Children's Hospital in 1891. He's not with his mum and brothers.

Browell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Maud Alfrey 22
John Bagelly 2
Emily Bolton 23
William Browell 2
Edwina M Devary 41
Kate Douglass 2
William Graham 11
John Hobbs 8
Margaret Keenom 8
John Lennox 13
Margaret Ridley 10
Marion Steel 5
John Thomas 4
Eleanor E Thompson 10
Lilly Wade 17
Lizzie Wade 21

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Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Browell William Gateshead 10a 783



Liz

alviegal

alviegal Report 6 Nov 2008 20:43

And look at this one!!



1901 England Census
about Bertie Browell
Name: Bertie Browell
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Thomason
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Bertie Browell 16 step son, blacksmith stoker
Edward Browell 14 step son, newspaper seller, hawk
James Browell 17 step son, engine cleaner, ED
William Browell 12 step son, b Heworth, Durham
Thomas Hayes 46 boarder
Jennie Mc Mullen 6 b Heworth
John Mc Mullen 4 b Gateshead
Michael Mc Mullen 38 pipe layer gas w, b County Derry, Ireland
Michael Mc Mullen 2 b Gateshead
Patrick Mc Mullen 6 months b Gateshead
Thomason Mc Mullen 36 b Pelton, Durham
Owen Murphy 46 boarder

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alviegal

alviegal Report 6 Nov 2008 20:37

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Browell Edward Newcastle T. 10b 142


Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
Browell Bertie Newcastle T 10b 153


Not sure about this one.


Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
BROWELL James Newcastle T. 10b 31

alviegal

alviegal Report 6 Nov 2008 20:28

Well done Jeanette! I really think you may have found her. The image could definately be Browell and she is married but hubby is not there.
She is living at 11 Railway Place and next door is a 22 year old coalminer born in Pelton, named Thomas Todd with his wife Jane and 10 month old son James, who was born in Felling.


1891 England Census
about Thomasina Browde
Name: Thomasina Browde
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Durham, England

Civil Parish: Heworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Felling
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Heworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bertis Browde 6
Edward Browde 4
James Browde 7
Thomasina Browde 26

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Liz

Linda

Linda Report 6 Nov 2008 11:05

Lisa / Jeanette

Thanks for your help.
I cannot access the census as I have`nt a Subscription.

My daughter is going to help me draft a letter & I will get it sent off for James Death certificate, hopefully they will have there registration going back into that Timeframe.

Regards
Linda x

Jeanette

Jeanette Report 6 Nov 2008 09:09

there is a family in 1891 census mistranscibed as Browde, living in Co Durham

Class: RG12; Piece: 4174; Folio 28; Page 54


Thomasena b 1865 Durham - married
James b 1884 Newcastle
Bertie b 1885 Newcastle
Edward b 1887 Newcastle