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Catherine

Would you say that my interpretation is possible??

Victor

my gran date of birth is 3 nd march 1912 she passed away 13 sept 1994,

I can understand the reason for rejecting my Mary Elizabeth as it does look as if she married someone else (though I dont think you can always reject a marriage because the middle name is not included -I've seen many such instances)

Now we have a Mary Ann Fulwood b 1892 to begin the search again and although I cant find one born Ilkeston there is a Mary Ann Fullwood b Dudley Worcs 1892 who is living in Ilkeston in 1901 with parents James 44 Iron Moulder and wife Mary A 38
and siblings Luke 20, James 17, Nelly 14, Thomas 12, Joseph 11 Charles5 all born Harts Hill Worcs
Maybe Sarah you could sort through your suitcas again and see if any of these names ring a bell?

my mother use to refer to nelly as her aunt

These are the two I would suggest are the best matches so far.


Exact Search Results - 1901 England CensusYou searched for Mary Fullwood

Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation RESIDENCE
Mary Fullwood John,Mary abt 1896 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Daughter Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire
Mary Fullwood William,Martha abt 1892 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley, Worcestershire



Victor

sept 1911 before march 1912 this is went my gg grandma got married

With the reference to Nelly, there is this.


1901 England Census

Name: Mary Fullwood
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Newcastle Under Lyme
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
Sub registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Fullwood 2
John Fullwood 34
John J Fullwood 9
Mary Fullwood 34
Mary Fullwood 5
Nellie Fullwood 10


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2580; Folio: 27; Page: 3.

Address 1 Baker street.

John (head) is listed as an Umbrella Hawker.


Victor

hiya gillian did your mary fullwood 1892 passed away in 1974 if so i think you have crack it

Sarah

As you can see from the birth date of your grandmother, her mother was already pregnant with her when she married. Don't worry about this, it happened far more often than you may think.

Victor

i not to sure if my gg gran was pregnant when she was married my uncle said she got married to a samuel devine sept 1911 no later than march 1912, unless my uncle as got it wrong

sorry for keeping you for so long i do apperiate it Thank you

Sarah

Sorry do not understand what yhou are saying. If your Gran was born 3rd March 1911 and her mother was married at the earliest the begining of October, that is only 6 months differnece, so she must have been pregnant.

Possible marriage
Marriages Dec 1911
Devine Samuel Basford 7b 403
Fullwood Mary Basford 7b 403

i think this is definatetly my gg grans marriage

my gran was born until march 1912 so she would have been 6 mths pregnant

Sarah

As I see it.

Your G Grandmother was pregnant with your Grandmother and Samuel Devine stood by her and decided to marry her, even though it was more than likely not his child, otherwise hs name would have been on the birth certificate.

so yeah she would have been 6mths pregnant before she got married sorry victor,

Sarah

Anyway, what we need now is the information from the marriage of Mary and Samuel, this might give us the father of Mary and her age. This way we can trace her family back.


Victor

i don't understand how he can't be her father, do you think it is possible that he didnt turn up to sign the register of my grans birth

Sarah

Have you sent away for a certificate before??


Victor

no i havent have there marriage certificate as i don't know how to get it they got married in basford and im in west yorkshire