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Thank you both I am out today Half term. Both warrent more looking into we need to find birth and entry into England. Once again thanks the more info we get the better for getting it right. John

out of London but another Hub -Germany-musician 1891
Name: Jacob Hub
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany

Civil Parish: St Mary Within
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Blaylock 61
George Dixon 46
Frank Galloway 33
Abraham Geifs 26 --Germany--musician
Charles Geifs 22 " "
Jacob Geifs 32 " "
Jacob Hub 18 " "
William Kinsella 30
Jacob Rumpf 18 " "
Robert Taylor 55
Catherine Thompson 61
Thomas Ward 30

Just round the corner from a house full of musician lodgers from Bavaria headed by a couple from Nassau, Germany, we find:

1871 England Census
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 2 ?uisless Close
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 2

Semon Morgenstein 28 Rheinland; Preußen Head M Musician
Carolina Morgenstein 25 Rheinland; Preußen Wife M
Jacob Morgenstein 10 m Rheinland; Preußen Son
Edward Morgenstein 10 Rheinland; Preußen Son
Jacob Allmann 23 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
Adam Sutter 22 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
F Sutter 20 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
F Rothfuchs 24 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician *********************
P Knopf 19 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
W Gottmann 28 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
J Wrimecker 25 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
K Hubner 16 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
T Weichel 18 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician
F Schneider 20 Rheinland; Preußen Lodger U Musician

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 556; Folio: 1; Page: 1; GSU roll: 823398.

Yes I have found this He could be older Brother. We had no info on them till we got Marraige cert. Wilhelmina's Father is Jacob Hub this is all we can be cetton of now. Would realy like to find there entry into country. We have also Joined a German site in the hopes of finding there births. John

1881 have we had this yet? you should be able to look at details for free.Fredricks wife is not with him
Name: Fredrick Rothfuchs
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany

Civil Parish: Whitechapel
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 37 Lambeth St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Musician

Household Members: Name Age
Bessie (Chessie) Allen 21
Peter Alt 16
Fredrick Fung 30
Jacob Herrhamer 23
Jacob Hub 15 **********surname interesting
Julius A. Molitor 23
Charles Porcher 21
William Porcher 16
Fredrick Rothfuchs 33
Anna C. Weyell 29
Anna M. Weyell 2
John Weyell 32
John Weyell 5

Thanks Janice Going to try Freecen. John

1881 above means that the houses were being built so no one living there then

http://www.freecen.org.uk/
transcriptions for different census years being added to this site all the time
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
you can search 1881 census on this site(but don't think you can search by address)

Is Ansectary the only site to find census by House. John

Janice thank you for the above but how do I use the info. Still tring to find Jacob & Wilhelmina. In 1881 census could be Adam in above from mgnv I am tring to comfirm this. But they must be there? thanks for all the help so far John

1881
Civil Parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 25 & 26 Greyhound Road Being Built (2 Houses)
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b

the 1881 census for 26 grey hound road fulham with Adam Wahl and female Wahl Who are cousin and cousin wife of head of house Fredrik Rothfuchs who Witnessed Jacobs Wahl's Wedding. John

Which original census image is it you want to take a look at?

Can you help I want to view this original census record. is it possible to look at aducent dwellings through other names, if so could you help me with them. Would like to see if it a miss reading by typist. john

On Ancestry, the only English census one can search by address is 1881. The address isn't transcribed on the other years. Other sites have transcribed it, and one can search there, but Ancestry seems to be the most popular with posters on these boards.
If one has a hit on the street, say for 26 Greyhound Rd in 1891, one can easily look at adjacent pages of the census book, and so see all the house on Greyhound Rd (excepting the case where Greyhound Rd or whatever lies on the boundary of an Enumeration District, then you'ld only get the even #s in this example).

Can any one tell me if I can access Censuses Records by House or Street. John

As far as I know they did not go back ever because he missed conscirption an inprisonable offence. Do not know much about the Rothfuchs; I heard of themfor the first time yesterday they appear on the Marriage cert and i have been sent a Census whis has him as a cousin of Wahl's. John

Can't work out where this one fit though ???

Marriages Jun 1901
Averre Hannah Whitechapel 1c 487
Fackler Joseph Carl Whitechapel 1c 487
LOVETT John Joseph Whitechapel 1c 487
Wahl Wilhelmina Catherine Whitechapel 1c 487

Dea x

The above fits with this marriage I found:

Marriages Jun 1895
Burk Carl August Pancras 1b 265
Holland Alice Pancras 1b 265
Rothfuchs Wilhelmine Pancras 1b 265
Ryan Jeremiah Pancras 1b 265

Dea x

1901
Name: Wilhelmina Burk
[Wilhelmina Rothfucks]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Wilhelmina
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald
County/Island: London
Country: England

Name: Carl Buch
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald


Name: Frederick Rothfucks
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Wilhelmina
Gender: Male
Where born: German, Germany

Civil Parish: Fulham


Name: Wilhelmina Rothfucks
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick
Gender: Female
Where born: German, Germany

Civil Parish: Fulham


Name: Clara Rothfusk
[Clara Rothfucks]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Wilhelmina
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Fulham

Name: Rosa Rothfusk
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Wilhelmina
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald

Household Members: Name Age
Carl Buch 36
Wilhelmina Burk 23
Peter Dietrick 29
Willy Henrich 26
Thomas Lowrence 46
Frederick Rothfucks 53
Wilhelmina Rothfucks 44
Clara Rothfusk 15
Rosa Rothfusk 9
Jacob Schaemer 22
Julius Szollosi 23