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JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 20:11

I'd say this is the death of Mary Ann, wife of Peter:


Name: Mary Ann Heustice
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 63
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 226

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:59

DANIEL HEUSTICE
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH HOLLOWAY
Marriage: 22 APR 1810 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
Batch No.: M001453

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:58

Results for: Huistice, British Isles
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: P006281

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 5

1. RICHARD HEUSTICE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUL 1817 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
2. PETER HUISTICE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 MAR 1819 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
3. ELIZA EUSTACE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1809 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
4. DANIEL JOSEPH HEUSTICE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 JUN 1815 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
5. SUSANNA HEUSTICE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 FEB 1821 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:56

Aha. Some good confirmation of the Heustice/Henstice mistranscription problem.

This is obviously a brother of Peter HUISTICE christened in 1819:


DANIEL HENSTICE
Christening: 13 OCT 1822 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Father: DANIEL HENSTICE
Mother: SARAH
Batch No.: P006281

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:55

Just a little coincidence here.


Marriages Mar 1838
Green Peter Lambeth 4 175

possible brides:

Sculthorp Mary Lambeth 4 175
Shaw Mary Melicent Lambeth 4 175
Wilkinson Mary Ann Lambeth 4 175

Births Dec 1848
GREEN Daniel James Lambeth 4 314


I don't see Peter Green in a census, but Mr. Green is probably a red herring. ;)

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:45

I would think that this is the birth of that Peter:


PETER HUISTICE
Christening: 07 MAR 1819 Saint Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Father: DANIEL HUISTICE
Mother: SARAH
Batch No.: P006281


JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:38

And here is the household in 1841:


Name: Peter Henstice - Ag Lab
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second

Mary Henstice 25
Peter Henstice 20
Peter Henstice 9 Mo
Ebenezer Tuller 20
Harriett Tuller 20
Harriott Tuller 2


Again -- looking at "n"s on the page, like in Holman and Constance (on the facing page), I read that as HEUSTICE, not Henstice.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:30

Aha. That household in 1861 -- Daniel J with father Peter, transcribed as Heaster/Hensters -- here it is in 1851:


Name: Daniel Henstice
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Name: Peter Henstice >>> Bricklayer
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Name: Mary Ann Henstice
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Peter
Gender: Female
Where born: City of London

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lambeth St Mary Princes Road
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 157

Daniel Henstice 3
Eliza Henstice 8
Mary Ann Henstice 37
Not Named Henstice 1week
Peter Henstice 31
Richard Henstice 5


I think these are your people, really.

And the brother Richard increases the possibility that the Daniel Richard born 1886 is your Daniel's son.

Oh, oh, I just dunno. If you search FreeBMD for

all events
surname Henstice
district Lambeth
(no dates)

You get a number of things -- including more than one Peter.

Aha, that 1853 Daniel James Henstice has a double entry at FreeBMD -- HENSTICE was a mistranscription, and the correct version is HEUSTICE.

The others, or some of them, could be mistranscriptions into the GRO itself from the original certificates.


The fact that your Daniel was a bricklayer in 1881, and this Daniel's father Peter was a bricklayer in 1851 -- it just looks like too much of a coincidence.



JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Jul 2008 19:07

You're welcome Darren! No answers I'm afraid, but things to mull.

I might just suggest getting that 1886 Daniel Richard Heustice birth certificate.

He could have been your Daniel's first child, died in infancy. It could be worth seeing who the parents were.

(Although he does look more like one in a series of Heustice children born exactly every 2 years from 1882 to 1894, all in Lambeth except for one in Wandsworth.)

Darren

Darren Report 27 Jul 2008 11:42

thanks for all your help and time Darren

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 22:02

An interesting birth to go with the Daniel Heustice:


Births Sep 1886
Heustice Daniel Richard Lambeth 1d 353

-- edit - he died the next year


but the date doesn't match your Daniel Jr.


I think with that I'm going to leave you to mull for now -- just not having any other brilliant ideas!

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 21:39

An alternative theory to Peter Houston's household.


1861:


Name: Daniel Heustess
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Abbott
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: Hospital for Consumption and Diseases of the Chest


Name: Daniel J Heustice
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Chelsea St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 96

Daniel J Heustice 8
Emily Heustice 38
James A Heustice 11 Mo

Darren

Darren Report 26 Jul 2008 21:37

the oldest girl was born 1912 we think she was born wakefield not eustace illagitamet child ????

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 21:36

Wrong year (unless late registration?) but interesting name:


Name: Daniel James Heustice
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 298

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 21:33

Okay, 1861.

I read the surname as ... well, it's really hard to say.

Heuston or Houston.

The household is difficult to understand in the original (no relationships are shown), but Ancestry has made a complete hash of it.

It seems to be Peter and his three children. Daniel is a son (on the next page from Peter). Peter is a bricklayer.



Name: Daniel J Heaster
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth (no; nonsense)
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Less
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
Household schedule number: 176

William Baker 47
Daniel J Heaster 15
Eliza Heaster 18
Sarah Ann Heaster 10
William Heaster 15
Peter Hensters 42


The others shown in the list at Ancestry are completely unrelated, in completely separate households.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 21:22

Ah -- 5 girls. FreeBMD has only transcribed the 4, it seems, so far.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 21:21

Young Daniel in 1901:

Name: Daniel Eustace
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston Hill St Paul
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks Depot East Surrey Regiment

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 26 Jul 2008 21:21

Not much help, eh? ;)

If we go with my theory that Sarah and Daniel weren't married ...

This is the best match for Daniel Jr's birth:

Births Dec 1880
Cruse Daniel James St. Saviour 1d 164

To match that surname, we have -- just musing now, remember:

Marriages Sep 1875
CRUSE Sarah Ann Wandsworth 1d 874
MASLIN William Wandsworth 1d 874
Urquhart Rose Wandsworth 1d 874
Urquhart William Wandsworth 1d 874


A bit of a dead end, I think. I suspect that Sarah Ann was born 1857.


Darren

Darren Report 26 Jul 2008 21:17

they had 5 girls julia eustace 1917 is the wife's side's mother

Darren

Darren Report 26 Jul 2008 21:10

got it it says his father was daniel eustace house decorator thats it