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I have been asking family if they know of anything that may help and one of my dad's cousins says that her father always said it was great grandfather that married an Indian lady so this may help a bit, this would make it as being John Thomas Hatcher who married Matilda Chandler who was born Newington surrey and i have just had a message from another member with this person also in their tree and Matilda's parents were also born Newington surrey

Samantha

Margaret
You are probably right and i would agree with you and think this could be the case, but at this moment in time i can not find a thing and very much on the verge of giving up (which is not me)

Samantha.
Could the Indian lady have been born in India but with English parents. The reason Im saying this is because I had a friend who was born in India but his parents were English. His mother was a cockney. I had met her.

However this friend to look at was olive skinned and spoke with an accent like an indian. He said it was due to being cared for by Indian servants. For all the world you would think he was Indian if you didnt know the truth

I have made contact with some other members who also have Matilda Chandler in their trees that maybe able to help with information, so just need to wait for a reply (fingers crossed)
It would be so good to get to the bottom of this, im sure my nan knows something behind all this but she refuses to talk.
Such a shame as this could make things a lot easier

Samantha

I cant seem to find a thing to suggest there is but some other member's of the family have mentioned it in the past so there must be some truth in it.
Oh will i ever get to the bottom of this?

Still no sign of the Indian connection yet!

Oh now we have choices lol

Dont have the marriage cert for this one as yet, what i do know is that she married (John Thomas Hatcher born 07/01/1831 wimbledon) in Croydon 1850 cer no; vol 4 page 105, but thats not going to help with the above at this moment in time.

MATILDA CHANDLER
Birth: 13 MAR 1825

Christening: 01 MAY 1825 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

Father: GEORGE CHANDLER
Mother: HANNAH

OR?

MATILDA CHANDLER
Birth: 28 JUN 1828

Christening: 27 JUL 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

Father: STEPHEN CHANDLER
Mother: ANN

Do you have the marriage certificate? Who is Matilda's father?

OR

As Emily Young was married to George Samuel Hatcher, could it of been George's mother: Matilda Chandler b-1826 Newington Surrey, could she be the Indian lady?

Samantha

Emily Eliza Young's parents were:
John Young b-1830ish Essex and Eliza Young b-1835ish Essex do not have a maiden name as yet or a marriage for them, but i dont think this line of the family is tracing an Indian lady.

Samantha

Hello
Margaret has mailed me to explain and yes the maiden name is Young, its just me getting confused and making things worse.

Samantha

Marriages Mar 1880
Hatcher George Samuel Fulham 1a 381
Young Emily Eliza Fulham 1a 381

I think that is her maiden name. Otherwise it would say something like Emily Hatcher, formerly Young, formerly Smith or similar with the three surnames.

Selena

Ok have just found the birth certsays father is George Samuel Hatcher and mother is Emily Eliza Hatcher (formerly Young) so would i be right in thinking that this would not be her maiden name but maybe from a marriage before.
Help please!!!!!!!

Samantha

Hello Margaret
So sorry i have not been in touch, what with work any many other things to sort out and still no further ahead of myself.
Now i have Leonard born 1882 was born 1881have his birth cert. and it says that the mother is Emily Young, so is the information above right or wrong in which case did Emily marry before or am i reading all of this wrong.
Oh im getting myself confused now, well that didnt take much did it lol.

samantha

Samantha.
I hadnt looked at the census before because you seemed to have all the information
However looking for George Samuel Hatcher 1855 Mereton Surrey

1891
George Hatcher 1855 Merton occ galviniser( zinc)
Evelyn 1860 Chiswick Middlesex.
Leonard son 1882 Chiswick Middlesex
Arthur 1883 Chiswick
Ellen 1885 Chiswick
Percy 1887 Hammersmith
Caroline 1888 Hammersmith
Violet 1890 Hammersmith

address Manor Lane Chiswick


1901.
George Hatcher 1855 Wimbledon Surrey.occ turner in ship yard
Emily wife 1860 Chiswick
Leonard 1882 Chiswick
Carry 1888 Hammersmith
Violet 1890 Hammersmith
Eliza 1899 Chiswick
George Young boarder 1847 Writtle Essex

address 6 Alluden? Rd Chiswick

The name Evelyn on the 1891 census has been corrected to Emily and the person who corrected the name pamannb says Emilys maiden name is Geal.

marriage George Hatcher married Emily Geal 1875 june qt Kingston Middlesex gro ref vol 2a page 393.


1881census mistranscribed
George Thatcher boarder1854 Wimbledon Surrey.occ galvanizer
Emily wife boarder1860 Chiswick
boarders with Taylor family.

I think pamannab has the wrong family but you could contact her through Ancestry to sort it out


1881 census.
George Hatcher 1842 Westerham Kent occ general labourer.
Emily wife 1844 Westerham
Adam Geal bro in law 1853 Limpsfield Surrey
Frank Geal1854 bro in law Limpsfield
Ellen Geal niece 1865 Croyden Surrey

address High St Westerham

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Is there anyone that could help me find any information on either of the two above ladies, as it is now amusing me as to where this Indian lady could/should appear.


Many Thanks
Samantha

So i need to look into either Leonards Grandmother or Great grandmother,
Grandmother was;
Emily Eliza Young
Born 1860 Chiswick Middlesex
She married George Samuel Hatcher in 1880 Fulham
Emily had a brother,
George Young b-1847 Whittle Essex
Their parents were;
John Young b - 1830ish Essex
Eliza Young (maiden name not known) b - 1835ish Essex

OR COULD IT BE

Great grandmother;
Matilda Chandler b - 1826 Newington Surrey
and married 1850 Croydon, to John Thomas Hatcher
this would have been George Samuel Hatcher's parents.

Samantha