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There is a chance that the fathers were still alive and the couple claimed to be 21 (and therefore avoid needing parental consent).

Based on the census returns given earlier Elizabeth seems fairly consistent with 1872 as her year of birth so she might have added a few months onto her age.

BUT;

There are two deaths that might be worth considering,

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Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Stuckey James 61 Islington 1b 226
Stuckey James 59 Whitechapel 1c 276

Glen

Hi Glen,

I think the first death age 61 would be the better one as in 1891 census was aged 60 and also Islington is where they were living att he time.

I tend to agree, looks like mum died not long after


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Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Stuckey Leah 55 Islington 1b 129

I'm just adding this for reference, best to make a note or print it out for use later if it is relevant

Assuming James and Leah are the parents and the 1881 census posted above is correct this is the same household showing the details for James;

Name: James Stucky
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Father's Name: Daniel
Gender: Male
Where born: Langport, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Blandford Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Road Laborer

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stucky 15
Daniel Stucky 78
Elizabeth Stucky 9
George Stucky 11
James Stucky 55
John Stucky 18
Leah Stucky 43
Thomas Stucky 2
Walter Stucky 3




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 220; Folio: 21; Page: 36; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341048.

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The reference to Langport Somerset seems to suggest this is the marriage of James and Leah

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
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BONNING Eliza Langport 5c 659
MALE Gerrard Langport 5c 659
Pipe Leah Langport 5c 659
Stuckey James Langport 5c 659

Again for reference, you can either use this to confirm things later or discount it as needed,

1871 England Census
about James Stuckey
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Regent
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
Edward C Stuckey 4
George J Stuckey 1
James Stuckey 44
John Stuckey 8
Leah Stuckey 34
Mary Ann Stuckey 9


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 204; Folio: 12; Page: 15; GSU roll: 824592

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1861 England Census
about James Stuckey
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Langport
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Stuckey 33
Leah Stuckey 23


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1630; Folio: 92; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542842

Again for reference, this looks like Leah before the marriage

1851 England Census
about Leah Pipe
Name: Leah Pipe
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Muchelney
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Somerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Pipe 2
Jane Pipe 4
John Pipe 40
Leah Pipe 14
Mary Pipe 38
Rhoda Pipe 6
Sarah Pipe 9


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1926; Folio: 402; Page: 7; GSU roll: 221083.


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I'll just throw this one in too, possibly the grandparents?????

1851 England Census
about Leah Pipe
Name: Leah Pipe
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsbury, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Somerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Williamb Ailey 9
Ann Pipe 12
Gate Pipe 7
George Pipe 64
Leah Pipe 65
Mary Pipe 28
Hannah Talbott 50


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1926; Folio: 455; Page: 5; GSU roll: 221083.

Glen,

Thankyou for your help i will write all this down. So Daniel is James Father, i will look into finding more on him if i can but me and the census just dont get on at all. Have you come across James mum's name at all? As maybe as he had his dad living with him then maybe they were divorced or she has passed away.
Thankyou Glen your very kind.

Jo

Hi again Jo

Daniel is recorded as father. To confirm it you would need the baptism record (James is a pre 1837 birth so there isn't a cert)

I will have a look for Daniel in the earlier years and post anything i find.

It might be that none of the things i have found are your family but at least if you have the details you know which to ignore next time!!!

Hi Glen,

Oh ok, i thought they are my family lol. see im bit dim with all this.
Didnt know you cant get certificates before 1837 right?
Thankyou for looking about Daniel.

You need to look at parish records for pre 1837 births. Try www.familysearch.org.
Look at the IGI ( International Genealogical Index)Extracted records are more reliable than submitted

1861 census.
Daniel Stuckey 1806 Kingsbury Episcopi Somerset occ ag.lab.
Mary wife 1801 no place of birth given

adress West Langbrook Kingsbury Episcopi Somerset


1851 census transcribed as Huckery ( Stuckey on image)
Daniel Huckery 1806 West Lambrook Somerset.occ ag.lab.
Mary wife 1806 West Lambrook
James son 1828 West Lambrook occ ag.lab.

address West Lambrook Kingsbury Episcopi. which is in the Langport reg.district

James Stuckey claims hes from Langport in 1881

I can't find him in the '71 at the moment


1861
Daniel Stuckey
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Langport
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Stuckey 55
Mary Stuckey 60


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1630; Folio: 87; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542842.

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1851 England Census (image looks like Stuckey)
about Daniel Huckery
Name: Daniel Huckery
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: West Lambrook, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Somerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Huckery 45
James Huckery 23
Mary Huckery 51

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1841 England Census
about Daniel Stuckey
Name: Daniel Stuckey
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
Hundred: East Kingsbury
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Langport
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Stuckey 35
James Stuckey 14
Mary Stuckey 45


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 949; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 37; Page: 4; Line: 18; GSU roll: 474600.

The next stage is to find the birth certificate for Elizabeth Jane, if that confirms that James and Leah are her parents then it will make finding the references for the family easier.

The census can be a good indicator but to confirm everything you need something a bit more substantial, eg certificates or church records. Assuming for a moment that the details posted are correct then at least you have a flying start to that side of the family.

As for your original question about the Fisher name, i think that must lie with Walter Isaac Jackson and his side of the family.

Ok i will get Jane Elizabeth's birth cert but which of these 2 should i get as not sure.

Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
1872 Pancras
2nd qtr
1b 183

Or

Elizabeth Stuckey
1872 Edmonton
3rd qtr
3a 181

The second dosent have Jane in the name!!

I think the best way forward is to apply for the certificate but use the checking point system

Basically you quote the year, quarter, volume and page number as usual but add the name of a parent. I might be wrong but i think the price goes up slightly from the usual £7, to be honest i have never tried a ref check but in a case like this i think it is worthwhile.

So let's just say you put Leah down as the checking point then if her name is recorded as the mother the cert will be issued. If her name isn't on the record then the GRO won't issue the cert and give you a part refund.

The main drawback is that the entry must be spelt the same on the cert as your application so if for example you put Leah but on the cert it is spelt Lear then they won't issue the cert.

Deciding which one is awkward, just on a hunch i would go with the first one you posted (Pancras). I would use Leah as the check point simply because it is a rarer name.

At the end of the day though the choice of which one and whether to add a ref check is yours to make but i believe it's your best option.

Glen

Daniel Stuckey born 1803 died 1888 dec qt Pancras gro ref 1b 120.

Hi Glen,

Ok thankyou for the information. I will go with the first one then, was going to orer the second as Edmomton isnt far from Islington.

Jo

Hi Margaret,

Thankyou for finding Daniel but is this his death? And was he born in Pancras aswell?

Jo

There are two Daniel Stuckey deaths in the area, both born about the same time


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Deaths Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Stuckey Daniel 80 Brentford 3a 47

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Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
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Stuckey Daniel 85 Pancras 1b 120


All i can say is that one of them is a Daniel who appears in the census and is consistently connected to Twickenham, the other one could well be the Daniel i posted census details for yesterday (time of the post was 18.31). He was born in Somerseat.

Regarding the birth certificate;

If the worst case happens and you have to order both then the "wrong" one isn't totally wasted, because there are two Stuckey familes in the area at the same time the information on the certificate could be useful at a later date.

Glen

Hi Glen,

I see what you mean about they could all be related but say i got 1 or both certs i wouldnt know which is right anyway as dont know his parents names.
Im still trying to figure this all out lol, sorry im useless with all this.

Jo