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Hi Tracey,

I Have a Marriage certificate for Stanley nields parents it states it was john nield and Alice Dodd, they were married in 1895 in salford John was age 39 yrs and occupation was a carter , his father was also a John nield deceased at time of marriage Alice was age 25 yrs and father was john Dodd, occupation was a labourer, there address was 12, Bradburns buildings Pendleton, Salford, I'm having trouble trying to track them down on the census returns, and what info i have from the census returns am not sure if it is the rtght information , please can you help any further , regards Marie.

Hi Tracey
No i don't know, I just wish I did, My dad didn't tell me much about them, he didn't tell me he had 2 other daugthers, it's strange i know.
Regards
Raymond

Marie,

39 is extremely old to be marrying back then, does the cert state whether he is a widower or not?

Tracey

Marie,

This is your John Nield....Looks like he was indeed married before....

1901 England Census
Name: John Neild
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Bardsley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Pendleton

Albert Neild 18
Alice Neild 32
Arthur Neild 12
Clara Neild 22
Edith Neild 15
Ethel Neild 2 << J & A
John Neild 46 << Bardsley, Yorkshire, England, General Labourer
Sarah Neild 5 << J & A
William Neild 3 << J & A


The children are all listed with Alice as their mother, but clearly this isn't the case, for example Clara is born in 1879... but Alice's own birth was 1869!!

I have marked who i think are indeed John & Alice's children...All of John's children of his previous wife were born the same place as John, all the children with Alice are born Pendleton.

Alice's birth location is listed as not known..... that doesn't help!

I'll try and find her after i have unravelled John....

Tracey x

of course you can..!

My msn is open too if you prefer to chat on there...

T xx

Marie,

Here is John with his previous wife....

1891 England Census
Name: John Nield
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Pendleton

Albert Nield 8 << Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Arthur Nield 2 << Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Clara Nield 12 << Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Edith Nield 5 << Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
John Nield 35 << Greenfield, Yorkshire, England
Mary Nield 37 << Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England


You gotta love it when people do not stay consistant with their birth location....

Living at Ivy Cottage, Weaste Avenue, Pendleton. John's job is listed as Herb Beer(?) Manufacturer....

Mary's death

Deaths Sep 1891
NIELD Mary 37 Salford 8d 5

1881 and he's still not being consistant,,,, he's now born in Saddleworth, Yorkshire!!

1881 England Census
Name: William Nield
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bardsley, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Ashton Road
Education:

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Knott Lanes

Clara Nield 2
John Nield 25
Mary Nield 27 << Bardsley, Yorkshire !!
William Nield no age listed, image says 7 months

Looks like he has at least 1 brother for a neighbour....

1871, John with his father James, James and John do get used as alternate names.... This is def your guy!

Looks like his mother has remarried again also....

1871 England Census
Name: James Nield
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Judith
Gender: Male
Where born: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Bardsley
Town: Knott Lanes and Woodpark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Knott Lanes

Judith Crowther 70 << Slaithwate, Yorkshire, England
James Nield 46 << Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
John Nield 15 << Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Tom Nield 20 << Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

Both James and Judith are listed as Widows....

Marie,

Do you have Alice's birth cert?

Tracey

Wow Tracey,
where do you get all this , you have really confirmed a few things for me and i am eternally gratefull to you,
I'm a bit confused abt the 1871, census is this Judith age 70 yrs a bit old to be john and Thomas's mother or is she there stepmother.

I did get a birth cert for Alice dated 1870 ,Whitchchurch, but it had the right father John Dodd
but her mothers name was unreadable so i'm not sure if i got the right one, thanks for all ur help regards Marie.

Sarah Pickles
Looking for parents of Sarah Pickles born 1799 Bingley, West Yorkshire do believe her mother may have been called Sarah as well

Thank you Tracey dont know how you found it but many thanks for that i had been given the name Parker but could not find it myself so thats great just need to find the children now i know there names are Brian and Jean and i think i have found jeans but cant find brian but he has always been know as his mothers maiden name gould so dont know if he was james son or not.
Michelle

Marie

Judith is either James's Mother or James Mother in Law....

The census states mother of the head, the head is James.... this makes me think she has married after James father died and she has also lost this husband....

She is NOT the mother of John !!!

Tracey

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Tracey,

Thank you for clearing this up for me. I've been in contact with a distant cousin and she has the birth cert for john born 1855, and it states that john's Mother was a Mary Crowther, so Judith must be James's mother in law. you are a gem, i will see if i can find them on any earlier censuses, thank you so much , marie x

Dear Tracy,
Thanks for looking for me. Yes that is Ferdinand. So his wifes name was Mary. Another one. Sorry it took me so long to reply. Had to go to Scotland for a week
Thanks again
Annie

Glad to be of help...

Tracey x

Hello Tracey, I have a weird family mystery I am longing to sort out for my mum. I am trying to find whether Walter and Clarice West had any surviving children. They married in South Normanton in April 1927 and lived at 36 South Street. Clarice died after childbirth on November 24 1927, aged 20. I would love to know if their child survived. The child may of course have been stillborn but apparently would still have been registered. Any clues? Thank you. Daryl

Tracey,
Daryl has also put this on the trying to find board and has received some help.
Best check first.
Sylvie

Hiya Tracey
I know you are probably not off work today but having trawled through the boards it looks like you are really clued into this searching lark can you please help if at all possible I am looking for my biological father name Francis poss Frances not sure how it is spelt Charles Clarke approx 62-68 years old if alive lived lastly in Paulsgrove Hampshire had 3 kids prior to me so all born earlier than 1967 was also married but dont know when worked for Eastleigh Railways as a firman on the trains and left to work for Victory Transport this is all the information I have I thinkhis kids were boy 2 girls mother was of west indian origin he british
If you can help brilliant I have wasted money on credits but do not understand any of this site searching really kind Regards Tracy