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17 Jul 2008 22:22 |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>BROWN William Amersham 3a 767 HEARN William Amersham 3a 767 >>>PEARCE Sarah Amersham 3a 767 PRATT Charlotte Amersham 3a 767
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17 Jul 2008 22:20 |
Found them on the 1901 census at last
1901 England Census about Sarah Brown Name: Sarah Brown Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Gender: Female Where born: Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Missenden Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Ballinger Bottom
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: Registration district: Amersham Sub registration district: Missenden ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Alice Brown 15 Straw Plaiter Arthur Brown 7 Florrie Brown 1 George Brown 4 John Brown 12 Sarah Brown 36 Straw Plaiter William Brown 37 Woodman
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1332; Folio: 26; Page: 8.
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16 Jul 2008 09:41 |
Possible death for James Brown born 1870'ish
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brown James 5 Wycombe 3a 325
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16 Jul 2008 09:39 |
Birth certificates available from
www.gro.gov.uk....on the form say that you have the reference and put in the information I have given.
Cost £7 (GB) with the reference.
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16 Jul 2008 09:38 |
This is the 1871 census for that family with William. There is another child named James aged 1 who does not appear on the 1881 census. I will check deaths.
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16 Jul 2008 09:34 |
If I am correct these are not step brothers but brothers. Could you be confusing the first name James as a surname.?
If I were you...if you have Ancestry...contact the owners of the two private trees with Frank on them as I believe they are related.
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15 Jul 2008 21:21 |
Hi:
There was a step bro called Arthur too .... so this could be right....well done.
Margaret.
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15 Jul 2008 21:19 |
Hi:
Just got in from the grocery run.
I have this:
William Brown's mother was Nellie Brown. William was her first child and then her husband died when William was a baby. His mother, Nellie, remarried to a James. So William Brown had step brothers - Abraham James, Alfred James, Arthur James.
I am thinking that she became Nellie James ...and some of William and Sarah's bairns would have been named after William's step-bros. Abraham, et al.
I will send for Franks real birth cert. I thought that was it.
Thanks for sticking with this puzzle. Margaret.
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15 Jul 2008 20:31 |
Do you think one of Franks' siblings was Abraham ?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1902 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brown Abraham Amersham 3a 777
this might be William and Sarah's child:
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BROWN Arthur Pearce Aylesbury 3a 2016
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15 Jul 2008 20:28 |
1901 England Census about James Brown Name: James Brown Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Princes Risborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Longwick County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: Registration district: Wycombe Sub registration district: Princes Risborough ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 72 Household Members: Name Age James Brown 57 Sarah Brown 58 Elizabeth Langstone 89 Mother in Law Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1352; Folio: 44; Page: 10.
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15 Jul 2008 20:26 |
1891 census
Name: James Brown Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Princes Risborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Longwick County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: Registration district: Wycombe Sub registration district: Princes Risborough ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age James Brown 48 Sarah Brown 48 John Busby 61 Visitor
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15 Jul 2008 20:16 |
The place you mention, Missendens and Princes Risborough are in the Chilterns in Buckinghamshire which along with High Wycombe are famous for chair making as there are many Beech woods.
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15 Jul 2008 20:12 |
This is a possibility for William. You say he was possibly an only child. Haven't found him on later census yet.
1881 England Census about William Brown Name: William Brown Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Princes Risborough County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Education:
Employment status: Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Wycombe Sub registration district: Princes Risborough ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age
James Brown 36 Sarah Brown 37 William Brown 13 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1470; Folio: 61; Page: 10; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341356.
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15 Jul 2008 19:54 |
I think it is possible that William Brown born 1911 was a son of William and Sarah but have not way of proving it.
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15 Jul 2008 19:51 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brown Frank Amersham 3a 897
This is Franks' birth registration and as he is you ancestor it would be more approariate to send for this birth certificate. The mothers' surname was not added to birth registration details until late 1911.
If you haven't got the birth certificate you can purchase on line from
www.gro.gov.uk
with above reference it will cost £7 make sure you say you have reference on the form.
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15 Jul 2008 16:38 |
Hi:
Frank's Pa, William Brown, was a chair turner. M.
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15 Jul 2008 16:13 |
Hi Pam:
I have a copy of Frank's birth certificate: He was born 14th May 1906 ... in Ballinger Gt. Missenden. Amersham district to William Brown and Sarah Pearce.
Does this help?
Margaret.
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15 Jul 2008 15:00 |
Using http://freebmd.rootsweb.com I have Abraham Brown and Arthur Brown born in Amersham who might be children of Sarah and William.
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15 Jul 2008 14:54 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AYRES William George Lambeth 1d 508 BROWN Thomas Lambeth 1d 508 COOK Alice Louisa Lambeth 1d 508 Cox Albert Joseph Lambeth 1d 508 Pearce Sarah Lambeth 1d 508 Pizzey Kate Lambeth 1d 508
This is the only Sarah Pearce marriage I can find in the time scale. It is not in Missenden (Amersham) but Lambeth in London. She could have been 'in service' in London. Many young girls were.
You need to purchase Frank's birth certificate to ensure that you are following the right family.
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15 Jul 2008 14:44 |
Hi:
OK - the whole message was not there when I first looked .... so I am thinking this is a child of William and Sarah .... I could send for the birth cert. and see if we can find out more about the parents ... is that a good next step? Margaret.
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