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Shirley
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14 Jun 2008 11:26 |
This is confusing, I'll try to maintain some "semblence of order" here. My g.g.g/parents were Herbert and Sarah Ann Cole (nee Huish) Herbert was born in Ombersley Worcester - christened 25/3/1840 Sarah Ann Huish in born Deviezes Wiltshire They married 14/4/1861 in Kidderminster Worcester Their son Henry married Jane Thomas around 1887 +/- 2yrs in Kidderminster. Just to add to the mix Jane was born 1863 in Madely Shropshire Daughter of Thomas (born in Madely) and Mary Thomas (don't know maiden name but born in Oapengate Shropshire) Henry and Jane emmigrated to Australia and eventyally settled in Werris Creek NSW where my grandmother Sara Jane was born in 1889 Its difficult doing research from this distance so hope some of you English COLE families may recognise a connection. Many thanks ...... Shirley
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Julcoe
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16 Jun 2008 06:35 |
What info are you looking for..?
For ref...
1871 England Census about Herbert Cole Name: Herbert Cole Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Gender: Male Where born: Ombersley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 75 Cuckoo Lane Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Household schedule number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Henry Cole 6 Herbert Cole 31 Sarah Ann Cole 31 William Cole 9
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16 Jun 2008 06:42 |
1861 England Census about Herbert Coles Name: Herbert Coles Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ombersley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Hartlebury County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Droitwich Sub registration district: Ombersley ED, institution, or vessel: 6c Household schedule number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Carter 47 William Carter 57 Herbert Coles 22 John Crudgington 65 William White 35
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16 Jun 2008 06:45 |
1851 England Census about Herbert Cole Name: Herbert Cole Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Parent's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ombersley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Hartlebury County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Waverley Green Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Droitwich Sub registration district: Claines ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Household schedule number: 87 Household Members: Name Age Herbert Cole 10 Olive Cole 8 Sarah Cole 52 Widow Susannah Cole 12 ,,, (19 on original) William Cole 17
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16 Jun 2008 06:52 |
1841 England Census about Evbert Cole (Erbert, on original - "Herbert'??) Name: Evbert Cole Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Gender: Male Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Ombersley Hundred: Oswaldslow (Lower Division) County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: ?? Comhampton ??
Registration district: Droitwich Sub registration district: Ombersley Household Members: Name Age Ann Cole 15 Evbert Cole 1 Joseph Cole 40 Ag. Lab Sarrah Cole 40 Susannah Cole 10 William Cole 8
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16 Jun 2008 06:59 |
1881 England Census about Herbert Cole Name: Herbert Cole Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Gender: Male Where born: Ombersley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Foxholes Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Gardener Registration district: Kidderminster Sub registration district: Kidderminster ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Cole 5 Henry Cole 16 Garden labourer Herbert Cole 41 Sarah Ann Cole 41 William Cole 19 Printer, General
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16 Jun 2008 07:02 |
1891 England Census about Herbert Cole Name: Herbert Cole Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ombersley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Kidderminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Foxholes Occupation: Market Gardener
Registration district: Kidderminster Sub registration district: Kidderminster ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Members: Name Age Arthur Cole 15 Clerk Herbert Cole 51 Sarah Cole 57 Laundress
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16 Jun 2008 07:05 |
1901 England Census about Herbert Cole Name: Herbert Cole Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Amberley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Kidderminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Foxholes Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Kidderminster Sub registration district: Kidderminster ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 126 Household Members: Name Age Herbert Cole 61 Sarah Cole 61 Laundress, wool
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ChristineinPortugal
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16 Jun 2008 07:09 |
This looks as if it could be the marriage of Thomas and Mary
Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)
EVANS John Madeley 6a 801 HEALEY Mary Ann Madeley 6a 801 THOMAS Thomas Madeley 6a 801 VICKERS Mary Madeley 6a 801
Probably Mary Vickers as there is a Mary Ann Evans in later years.
1851 England Census about Mary Vickers Name: Mary Vickers Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Wellington, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Madeley Town: Madeley County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Madeley Sub registration district: Madeley ED, institution, or vessel: 3k Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 289 Household Members: Name Age Emma Vickers 7 Hannah Vickers 3 John Vickers 11 Mary Vickers 48 Mary Vickers 15 Sarah Vickers 24 William Vickers 53 William Vickers 4
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1989; Folio: 318; Page: 75
1861 England Census about Thomas Thomas Name: Thomas Thomas Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Madeley Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Madeley County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Madeley Sub registration district: Madeley ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 330 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Thomas 6 Mary Thomas 26 born Wellington, Shropshire Mary A Thomas 1 Samuel Thomas 3 Thomas Thomas 26
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1858; Folio: 120; Page: 56
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16 Jun 2008 07:10 |
....sibling... 1901 England Census about Arthur Cole Name: Arthur Cole Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Kate A Gender: Male Where born: Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Kidderminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: 58 Shrubbery St Occupation: ??
Registration district: Kidderminster Sub registration district: Kidderminster ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 91 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Cole 25 Kate A Cole 28
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16 Jun 2008 07:16 |
and Jane's family....
1871 England Census about Jane Thomas Name: Jane Thomas Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: St George Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation:
Registration district: Kidderminster Sub registration district: Kidderminster ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 273 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Thomas 16 Jane Thomas 4 John Thomas 4 Mary Thomas 37 Mary Ann Thomas 11 Thomas Thomas 37 Engineer William S Thomas 1
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16 Jun 2008 07:22 |
1881 England Census about Jane Thomas Name: Jane Thomas Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Madely, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: 27 George St Occupation: Winder C Registration district: Kidderminster Sub registration district: Kidderminster ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Thomas 9 Ester Thomas 6 Jane Thomas 18 John Thomas 14 Works in Shed Mary Thomas 46 Thomas Thomas 46 Engineer Thomas Thomas 4 William Thomas 11
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16 Jun 2008 07:27 |
Jane's Father & family
1861 England Census about Thomas Thomas Name: Thomas Thomas Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Madeley Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Madeley County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address: ??? Occupation: Engineer at Coal Mine Registration district: Madeley Sub registration district: Madeley ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 330 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Thomas 6 Mary Thomas 26 Mary A Thomas 1 Samuel Thomas 3 Thomas Thomas 26
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16 Jun 2008 07:31 |
1851 England Census about Thomas Thomas Name: Thomas Thomas Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Son Father's Name: Samuel Mother's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Madeley Town: Madeley County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address: High Street Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Madeley Sub registration district: Madeley ED, institution, or vessel: 3k Household schedule number: 223 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Thomas 43 Henry Thomas 20 Hawker John E Thomas 9 scholar Joseph Thomas 8 scholar Samuel Thomas 45 Engine Tender Thomas Thomas 16
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16 Jun 2008 07:35 |
1841 England Census about Thomas Thomas Name: Thomas Thomas Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Gender: Male Where born: Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Madeley Hundred: Wenlock (Shrewsbury Liberties) County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address: Hills Lane Registration district: Madeley Sub registration district: Madeley Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eleanor Thomas 30 Henry Thomas 10 Samuel Thomas 35 Machine Keeper Samuel Thomas 8 Thomas Thomas 6
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Shirley
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17 Jun 2008 15:48 |
Julie and Christine Thank you both very much for the Cole information you were kind enough to share with me. Being fairly new to this geneology thing, it's a bit of a daunting task trying to find family info prior Henry and Jane travelling to Aust. Their daughter Sarah was my paternal Grandmother - she was an only child, I believe a twin died at birth, but thats another search again, whether it be fact or otherwise remains to be seen. Thanks again Shirley
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18 Jun 2008 02:16 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Jane Thomas Name: Jane Thomas Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Kidderminster County: Hereford and Worcester, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 287 ........Harry Cole
Birth.....if there was a twin its birth (& death) was not registered.. Reg. Number .. 22259/1889 Name .. COLE SARAH J Father .. HENRY Mother .. JANE District .. QUIRINDI (about 20ks south of Werris Creek)
Who did Sarah marry ?
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Shirley
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18 Jun 2008 11:21 |
Hi Julie, this is where it gets a bit tricky. Nana Patto - Sarah was my paternal grandmother. She was married to a Percival Herbert Ayton approx 1908, then again to my grandfather approx 1915. but that is doubtful as family goss. has it Percival did a runner and couldn't be found for divorce purposes, so Nan and Pop (Harold Henry Pattison) did the unthinkable and unmentionable and "lived in sin", manufacturing "wedding dates" etc. I had quite a problem finding my father's birth cert. He was the oldest of their children - Allan Henry Pattison - but his b/cert had family name as Ayrton and Pattison was listed as one of his Christain names. He changed it in mid sixties. His family is full of little mysteries like this - I asked Mum and Dad (both deceased now) about them, but as per the standards of their age group, skeletons were kept where they belonged - in the cupboard. I love a good mystery so I am poking around gleaning information here and there hopefully to put it all together Cheers ... Shirley
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18 Jun 2008 14:14 |
Found this one....?? 'P' = Percival ; 'A'=H --> Herbert ??
Reg. Number .. 12824/1909 Groom .. AYTON NORMAN P A Bride .. COLE SARAH J P District .. WATERLOO
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18 Jun 2008 14:32 |
Thought that you might like these...
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Harold Henry Pattison Name: Harold Henry Pattison Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1930 <<<<<<<< State: New South Wales District: Martin Subdistrict: Mortlake OCCUPATION : Storeman ADDRESS : 9 Llewellyn Street, Rhodes with Sarah, home duties (h/d)
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Harold Henry Pattison Name: Harold Henry Pattison Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1936 <<<<<< State: New South Wales District: Parkes Subdistrict: Strathfield OCCUPATIPN : labourer ADDRESS : 390 Liverpool Rd, Enfield with Sarah Jane, h/d & Allan Henry, Carrier.
For interest sake I did a search for Ayton.. both under Percival and Norman but found nothing. However I can NOT check South Australia, so he either moved there, moved overseas or died..
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