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Hi all. I have hit abit of a dead end and wondered if any of you out there have any advice on if there is anything at all I could try? I have my great grandfather, William King, born Sheffield in 1909. Birth cert and baptism record shows that he was the son of Walter and Elizabeth King (nee Rowland). I have found who I think are Walter and Elizabeth on the 1891 and 1901 censuses with other children. I have searched through indexes etc but have been unable to find any trace of a marriage between Walter and Elizabeth. On both censuses, Walter and Elizabeth are in Sheffield. Any advice is much appreciated. Kind Regards, Claire

When and where was their first child born?

Hi Sam

If I have the right couple on census, then it looks like their first child was called Eliza King born 1886c in Sheffield. On the 1891 Census (mistranscribed as Ring) Walter is 40 and Elizabeth is 26. They have Eliza and then Albert who was born in 1890.

Claire

for ref

1901 England Census
about Walter King
Name: Walter King
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Pitsmoor Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: West Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Albert King 10
Elizabeth King 38
Ernest King 7
Walter King 50

The other children were registered as King although Walter appears to have Ring on most of the census. It's possible that the name was changed from Ring to King, have you looked for Ring marriages?

Hi yes, thats them.

On the 1891 census, it says Walter is born Huddersfield and Elizabeth in Rotherham. Obviously, i dont know which, if any, are right.

Claire

is this the one you mean in 1891??
I have looked at the image and it definately says Ring

Elizabeth Ring
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Neepsend St Michaels
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Ring 6/12
Eliza Ring 5
Elizabeth Ring 26
Walter Ring 40 occ Moulder


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Hi Claire

I hadnt thought of that. I have tried freebmd just now for a Ring/Rowland marriage and nothing has come up. I will give a full trawl of the indexes a go though as its a possible idea.

Thank you for that. Claire

Do you think that this could be Walter in 1881?
Walter King
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Lodger (Head) (Lodger)
Gender: Male
Where born: Parkgate, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 103 Alfred Road
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Steel Moulder

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
>James King 1
>Walter King 30
Alice Wilson 10
Ellen Wilson 36
Frank Wilson 13
George Wilson 37
Harry Wilson 15
Mary A. Wilson 17

Hi Rutland Belle

yes thats the family on the 91 census. I am almost 100% sure these are my family but I dont want to claim them without some proof.

Walter is listed as a moulder on William's birth and baptism records and also William's marriage certificate.

My nan (William's daughter) doesnt remember much about her family but said her dad never really knew his father and mother as he wasnt very old when both his parents died. Nan remembers her dad telling her that her dad would have been taken to an orphanage but his older brother, Ernest, wouldnt allow that and took him in.

As there is an Ernest on the 1901 census, makes me think this is them.

I have found a death of a Walter King in 1923 aged 73 which would fit in with a birth around 1850 which the censuses indicate also.

Claire

Hi Rutland,

ooooh that looks very interesting! Its a highly likely possibility but means Elizabeth wasnt Walter's first wife (thats if they married lol). And a son James? The moulder bit certainly fits as well.

Another possible birth place, this time Parkgate in Rotherham. So, he could be born Parkgate, Huddersfield or Sheffield if this is the same guy.

Many thanks for that, have noted the details for reference.

Claire

Claire there is a Parkgate area in Huddersfield at Berry Brow

Jennifer

oh, i didnt know that. Many thanks for that info, that would make sense then with the 1891 census saying he was born in Huddersfield.

It doesnt suprise me that Walter would have been married before as he was quite abit older than Elizabeth. Wonder if there is a possibility that Walter wasnt actually widowed and was still married to the first wife and thats why there is no marriage to Elizabeth?

I appreciate everyones help.
Claire

ive just had a look in the 61 census and there is a Walter King born 1851c with parents. States he is born Almondbury and the address he is living at is Parkgate......the Parkgate bit would tie in with the 81 birth place.

I really dont know Huddersfield so not sure if Almondbury is near there or Parkgate in Huddersfield and Berry Brow.

think i have him on the 71 census as well. He is living with his unmarried sister who is head of household. Just the two of them. He is down as Walter Ring again but born 1851c Huddersfield...again, a moulder. Living Brightside, Sheffield.

All this points to the same Walter but I dont know if I should claim him as my ancestor without being able to prove it with no marriage details to Elizabeth.

1851 England Census
about Walter King
Name: Walter King
Age: 6 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Almondbury, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Almondbury
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub registration district: Almondbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1m
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Burgin 22
Joseph Burgin 56
Ann King 37
Annis King 2
Coveny King 3
James King 31
Walter King 6 Mo

The sister with the strange name

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Coray King
Name: Coray King
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Huddersfield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 22
Page: 373

Thanks for the 51 Claire. It certainly looks as if this Walter is the same man though the censuses. Just wish I could prove it was my great x 2 grandfather. Do you think this is one of those instances where you have to go with 98% rather than 100% evidence?

The sister with strange name is who Walter is with on the 71 census in Brightside Sheffield. I thought it said Carol lol. I have just seen a marriage later in 71 of a Cora King. A good chance that is Coray.

Claire

Claire I kept going back as I wanted to make sure that Walter was born Walter King. Looks very much as though he was

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Walter King
Name: Walter King
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Huddersfield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 22
Page: 318

Thanks for that Claire. I will get the birth certificate but feel I am one step ahead of myself lol.

Certainly looks as though Walter and Elizabeth didnt marry even though William's birth cert suggests they did.

I have found a likely death of James King from Walter's first marriage when he was aged 4.

Claire