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Thanks Bet,i will have to give that a go,it would be interesting to find out what happend.
Gerome.

It might be worth looking for a record of the his trial.
There is usually quite a lot of info given.

You could try e-mailing Hampshire Record Office with what you know(name-that he his your xxx gt grandfather-notation in the Headley P/R by vicar of his transportation c 1830-31) and ask them what records they hold which could help you find out what happened to him

I have found them very helpful in the past

Bet

Bet,
No,afraid not,i just got directed to ancestry from another site,it let me search,just went back to check out the ship Caroline and it wont let me do it again.
I put a post up and some one found a Richard Coombes on a ship called the Caroline,but that was 1842 apparentley which would be ten years too late,
Very strange,will have to keep looking.
Gerome.

Gerome,
Yes,I had a quick look too,he may not have survived the journey or he may have gone somewhere else!!

Do you have an Ancestry sub?
If not it might be worth asking one of the many people who offer look-ups of Ancestry on this Records thread if they can find him.

The vicar must have been sure if he wrote it in the register!!

Bet

Thanks bet,thanks for clearing that up,sorry if i sound i bit thick!lol
Just had a quich check on one Oz convict site,no luck on the passenger lists on there though,will have to keep looking.
It is interesting,i didnt expect to have a convict in the family!
Gerome.
Just checked Ancestry convict lists and lists on another site,tried different spellings and still cant find any listing of a Richard Coombes,very strange!
Gerome

Gerome,
Yes,that means Matilda daughter of Harriet, whose husband Richard was transported 2 years before which would be about 1830/31 ish.
That was about the time of the "Swing Riots" in various counties in the South of England.

It cannot be the other Richard and Harriet as they did not marry until 1832 and were having babies later!

There is a lot of info on the convict transportation to Oz on the web-I just typed in "Convict transportation to Australia" on google-very interesting!!

Bet

Just read your post and omg,i think my heads going to explode!lol,this is going to get more and more confusing.
The Matilda d Harriett,is that Matilda ,Daughter of Harriett?,i dont remember hearing of a Matilda.
What points to it being our Richard that was transported?
Oh,the interesting thing though is,although i know people were transported for lots of minor things,there was a famous workhouse/peasant riot there at roughly that date,i know the main people were transported to Oz,although there wasnt a Coombes listed amongst the ringleaders,could be conected though i suppose.
I dont know,i thought my family could be a pain,i didnt realise one's 200 yrs ago would give me such a headache!lol

Gerome<
Getting back past James(1819) is going to be more difficult that you thought!!

I have re-checked the info I sent you the other day and have to apologise for an error on the date of Richard and Harriets marriage.although it does not affect the fact that James is the son of Richard and Harriet Combs(sic) but it will not help sort out which are the correct parents of Richard!

In short there are 2 Richards and Harriets as well (:o(

The following marriages took place at Headley in 1817:-
10 May 1817
Richard Combs & Sarah Gardiner

04 October 1817
Richard Combs & Harriet White (got the date wrong)

11 February 1832 at Binstead
Richard Combes & Harriet Haydon
Binstead is near to Alton/Froyle/Wordham

I think therefore that the children baptised at Froyle and Kingsley(Wordham) belong to this latter Richard & Harriet,namely
George-1832
Daniel -1834
Lucy-1835
Robert-1837
Anne-1839

That leaves "your" Richard and Harriet with the following:-
Harriet-1818
James-1819
Jane-1821
Charlotte-1823 (died 1834)
Catherine-1825
Richard-1828
Stephen-1830 (1830)

now the interesting bit which I missed first time!!
28 Jan 1833-Matilda d Harriet wife of Richard who has been transported 2 years(!)
plus
08 Jul 1835-Hannah d Harriet

I cannot work out which Richard and Harriet these 2 belong to-can you?
1835-Mary Anne
1840-George

(I gave the baptism dates for all these children in my earlier posts)

I have found only one baptism for theRichard and Sarah(Gardiner) who married in 1817:-
01 Mar 1818-Mary Ann
and Sarah was buried 23 April 1829 age 38

This Richard may have married again?!

The Alton Registration District covers Headley/Binstead/Froyle etc and the following deaths appear on FreeBMD,which is which Richard?
1847-1871(69yrs)-1877(78yrs)

"Your" Richard was probably transported to the Antipodes!!
Whatever he did there should be records of his trial at the Hampshire Record Offices.
That should give details of the ship and where and when he went,

I am not sure what is available on-line re the transportation of convists but I am sure some will know!

Bet

Hi Bet,
Yes,i think your right,its certanly looks like it,i had a look at some Headley sites and they have some records on there and i noticed the two Richards,i wonder which one is jameses father,without some kind of birth cert for james,i dont know how i could prove which one it is.
Oh well,at least it looks like i have got a little further back.
Gerome.

Gerome,
The James baptised in 1819 at Headley (which is where he said he was born in the census) is the only one baptised there in the right time frame.

The parish registers are about the only way of checking before 1837,unless there are wills or other documentaion.

For what it is worth my feeling is that this is your family!

Bet

Bet,
Thank you for you help,i understand it now,sorry,it was getting a bit late!
That does all seem to tie in,and it does open up a lot more branches,there were a lot of children!
Headley is full of Coombes's even to this day for a smallish town,there are a few people on GR with Coombes's from Headley but so far i haven't found a connection,it might be James's siblings or the generation before.
The name Richard would probably tie in,it has always been a common name used in my family,how could i go about checking if they are James's parents and it is his christening?
Thanks again for all you help,i really appreciate it,
Gerome.

Gerome,
Yes,your James married Sarah Budd and in the census Amber gave you he is with a Sarah with a birth date of c 1819.

I thought you wanted his Baptism-which is what I have given you with his parents marriage?!

Bet

Thankyou both for your replies,
Amber,what you found is intersesting,My James was born in Headley not hadley,but the Steyning,Shoreham bit would tie in,but the other household names im not shore about,i only know of sons William and Richard,either its adifferent James Coombes or he had more children then i knew about.

Bet,
I dont think this can be the same James,mine married a Sarah Budd,they could have married in Puttenham Surrey her home town,they are on its poor index and listed as being sent back to Headley as it was his home town.

Thank you both again its really good of you to help,im really curious about James and my line before him,also his son William brn 1858

Gerome,
If this is "your" James Coombes here is his baptism:-

Marriage 10 May 1817 at Headley (Hants)
Richard COMBS & Harriet WHITE
(no other info)

Baptisms of the children of Richard & Harriet COMBS/COOMBS at Headley unless otherwise stated!

18 Jan 1818-Harriet
24 Oct 1819-James
25 Mar 1821-Jane
02 Feb 1823-Charlotte
20 Jul 1825-Catherine
19 Apr 1828-Richard
01 Jul 1830-Stephen
14 May 1832-George ( at Kingsley/COOMBES)
18 Jan 1834-Daniel (at Froyle)
08 Nov 1835-Lucy (at Froyle)
06 Aug 1837-Robert (at Froyle)
02 Mar 1838-Mary Anne
24 Nov 1839-Anne (at Froyle)
13 Mar 1840-George

Buriels-at Headley (COMBS)
24 Feb 1834-Charlotte 11
26 Nov 1830-Stephen inf

I have looked for a death of the first George(1832) but cannot find one-he may have died between 1837 and 1840!

I have the following CDs
Hampshire Baptisms Index 1813-1841(doed not include I of W or non-conformists)
Hampshire Marriage Index 1754-1837
Hampshire Buriels 1400-1837

I understand the Hampshire Family History Society are currently working on the baptisms 1754-1812.

If you go to the Family Search site (IGI) and put the name Coombes/British Isles/England/Hampshire plus the following Batch Number C132702 where indicated, the Coombes baptisms at Headley come up and you can find 2 Richards baptised 1797 and 1798!!
Which one is yours?!

Bet

Name: James Coombes
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hadley, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Aldrington
Ecclesiastical parish: Chichester
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Steyning
Sub registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
George Coombes 14
James Coombes 52
Kate Coombes 9
Sarah Coombes 53
William Coombes 18


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Amber

HName: James Coombes
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hadley, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Hove
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Hove
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Steyning
Sub registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
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Household Members: Name Age
James Coombes 76
Sarah Coombes 75
Laura Hale 14


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Hi,
Im also looking for some info in Hampshire pre 1830's.Im looking for anything on James Coombes Born in Headley in abt 1812,he was married to a Sarah Budd brn abt 1818 who was from Puttenham Surrey,thats all i know really.
Sorry to but in on the thread,just wondered if anybody had any ideas.
Gerome.

Hi Bet

I know that Emily Sainsbury remarried after William Sainsbury died and married John Snook in 1839.

Liz

Forgot to say quite a few SNOOKs appear in Portsea St Mary

Bet

Some of the Hampshire Registers( or parts of) are on-line at:-

www.knightroots.co.uk

It is a bit hit and miss but the Portsea and Portsmouth area have quite a bit,especially marriages which go into the 1920s in some places.

Since a lot of the grooms were army and navy it is worth a look if you have lost anyone-especially SMITHs!!!

Bet