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Hi

Mabel Walrond Trengrouse was a daughter to Henry Trengrouse (1842-1927) and his wife Mabel Walrond.

Henry was son to Nicholas Trevenen Trengrouse and Louisa Catherine Oats, from Helston in Cornwall. Louisa was the 12th of 14 children to a Captain Richard Oats from Penzance (her sister Matilda is my ancestor, have a large 1870s photo of her...)

Henry and family moved to London/Surrey area in the 1870s I would imagine.

Hope this helps
Tom Cory.

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My pleasure

Robert

Thank you very much for all your help.

I think you need to do some research and find the connection

For me its been a fascinating journey.

Happy hunting

Robert

I knew there was an indian army connectioon in the family but not all that detail. I take it that charles edward was the brother of jonathan maxwell.

The Mss Eur F163 is the National Archives at Kew reference for the Bruce private papers, which you can access.

Just googled him myself: enter "Richard Isaac Bruce" including the exclamation marks. A number of books were written about him and there are mentions of his son. For example on this link

http://www.bl.uk/collections/afghan/sources1919to1928.html

there is this research reference:

'Mss Eur F163

BRUCE (Charles Edward), Lt-Col
Bruce Collection: correspondence and papers of Lt-Col Charles Edward Bruce (1876-1950), Indian Army 1896, Indian Political Service 1901-31, and of his father Richard Isaac Bruce (1840-1924), Indian Civil Service 1863-96, relating chiefly to the North-West Frontier and Baluchistan; includes papers on Afghan tribes in the early 20th century.

81 items, 1871 - 1939'

I was completely wrong with the year of birth for Jonathan Maxwell. it seems strange that Richard Bruce would be living in a hotel.

Richard Isaac Bruce in 1881, described as 'Political Agent in India':

Name: Richard Isaac Bruce
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Charing Cross Hotel
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Political Agent In India

Registration district: Strand
Sub registration district: St Martin In The Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: Charing Cross Hotel
Neighbors: View others on page

You could try googling his name...

IGI record for Jonathan Maxwell Bruce:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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Jonathan Maxwell Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 22 JUN 1873 India Office Ecclesiastical Returns-Bengal Presidency,,Misc, , , India

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Richard Isaac Bruce Family
Mother: Eliza Maria


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C750234 1873 0499051 Film NONE


So he was born in India.

I am not aware of any carribean connection, however we are talking about the 1600s , so anything is possible.

I think that if you have a dig around on familysearch.org you find out a lot more about his family.

I asked yesterday if there might be a Carribean connection. Apparently some of the early English settlers - in the 1600s - were Walronds. They can also be found in Europe and the USA; an all country search will reveal them.

Again on the IGI is another extracted record of his birth:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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WILLIAM JAMES WALROND Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 15 AUG 1821

Christening: 10 SEP 1821 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM WALROND Family
Mother: MARY


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C035247 1821 0580910 Film 6903614 Film

C035247 1822 - 1824 0580911 Film NONE

C035247 1825 - 1827 0580912 Film NONE


Sheet: 00

The marriage on IGI:

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WILLIAM JAMES WALROND Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZA BELL COX Family
Marriage: 04 APR 1844 Saint Stephen Walbrook And Saint Benet Sherehog, London, London, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M001381 1557 - 1754 942 B4HA V.49 Book 6903546 Film

M001381 1754 - 1860 942 B4HA V.50 Book NONE

M001381 1861 - 1880 0375019 Film NONE


Sheet: 00

As its an extracted record and matches the marriage index, I would say it is accurate

On the Law List of Country Attorneys for 1843 is this entry:

57. Barking, Essex

Walrond, William James in London and Wells, George in London.

So it looks as if he was either a barrister or a solicitor

Here's the marriage:

Name: William James Walrond
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: City of London
County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 161 (click to see others on page)

Her name was Eliza Bell Cox

Hi Christopher

Just logged on again, at the end of another day's work.

I'll have a dig around for you

Robert

Do you have any suggestions where to look for Eliza B. Walronds husband ?

Still havent found any details of Eliza B. Walronds husband.

The husband of Eliza B. Walrond never seems to be mentioned . Eliza B. always seems to mentioned as HEAD on all the censuses. There is a death index showing Eliza died in 1904 and the B stands for Bell.