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Deb may well not be watching for any new posts ..... and GR does not notify people of new postings.


May I suggest that you send her a pm (personal message). Just click on her name, write your message in the box that appears, then click Submit.


GR will then send her an email to say there was a message waiting in the internal system.


Then all you have to do is hope that she still has the same email address that GR has on file.




sylvia

I have information about the Weston/ Falconers as Jane was my great great grandmother
Can I help?

Hi debs, how are you, ive been busy with horse probs now,think he,s gonna be ok!! i still havnt met nina yet but apparently she going great guns with tree now,thanks too you. i,ll let you know if wen i meet her if i can spot anything. sue

Hi Sue,

I don't think we'll ever find out who JJ's father was. I strongly suspect that Joseph or Charles Aldridge had an affair with either Frances, Jane or Clara Weston and they had a son who went on to father JJ. It's the only logical explaination for the relationship between Jane Weston/Falconer and JJ and Frances.

It's a shame that I haven't been able to find Jane b1837 or Frances b1835 after 1851. I'm sure they went on to marry but I can't find their marriages or see them on the 61. I'll bet anything one of them has an illegitimate son with her!

The Weston/Falconer's ended up all over the place because the stepfather Edmund Falconer was a famous playwrite who travelled around the UK.

What a pity this family can't be added to your tree. Although they belong there, the link between JJ and Jane Weston is missing.




Deb:)

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Found Clara in 61.


WESTON, Clara Howarth Lodger Unmarried F 22 1839
Manchester

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1800 Folio:
127 Page:
7

Registration District:
Cheltenham Sub District:
2 Cheltenham EnumerationDistrict:
25 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Marys

Civil Parish:
Cheltenham Municipal Borough:
Cheltenham Address:
3, St Georges Retreat, St Georges Terrace, Cheltenham County:
Gloucestershire





Deb:)

This thing may not be dead and buried just yet. Thanks to T in Middlesex, Charles Aldridge has been found. He married Kate Nora Salmon in Suffolk, 1873.

I've noticed a coincidence? He has a son called Geoffrey, too young to be JJ's father of course, but still a link to the name.


1881 England Census
about Charles Alderidge
Name: Charles Alderidge
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Kate Nora
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Oxton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Palm Grove (Hillside)
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Architect

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 22b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Lonsdale Alderidge
Athele Margaret Maria Alderidge 2
Charles Alderidge 38
Ernest Charles Alderidge 6
Geoffrey Charles Garrand Alderidge 5
Kate Nora Alderidge 36
Noel Alderidge 1
Wilfred Salmon Alderidge 4
Horace Lemon Field 16
Margaret Jones 28
Sarah Kendall 15
Lucy Swindley 18
Hannah Thomas 20
Sarah Thomas 36



He died in 1895:


Name: Charles Aldridge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 52
District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 8a
Page: 410






Deb:)

Ok Sue, as suggested I'll leave you & your friend to it. Good luck!

This will probably turn out to be Frances. Why not? JJ's name was completely different on his birth cert too.


Name: Edith Ellen Meredith
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Croydon
County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 258


She's not showing in deaths or census.





Deb:)

And now for Charles.

Well, after 1871, he disappears. Not in deaths, not in marriages, not on any census.

So, a bit of a dead end.




Deb:)

If we look at the age difference between Jane Weston/Falconer, JJ and Frances, it suggests that she was most likely a great/grandmother. It would have simply been easier to write down grandmother though.

I've been following the two Aldridge brothers for the last week because my gut instinct tells me that one of them had an affair with one of Jane Weston/Falconers daughters and the offspring of that affair was JJ's father.

So, here's the brothers.


Joseph appears in the 1841 with his parents. In 51, he was away at boarding school in Sussex and in 61, he's with his brother Charles. Both are unmarried. Joseph is a solicitor and Charles is an architect. The head of the household is Julian Robbins, barrister born Bloomsbury.


1861 England Census
about Joseph Aldridge
Name: Joseph Aldridge
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bloomsbury, St George, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Teddington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Aldridge 18
Joseph Aldridge 20
Elizabeth Barber 30
George J Robins 1
Julian Robins 25
Maria Robins 21
Mary M Stock 22
William Stoner 24



In 67, Joseph marries Mary Ann Goldsmith.


Name: Joseph Aldridge
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 585

Mary Ann Goldsmith 1867 Jan-Feb-Mar Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey


1871 England Census
about Joseph Aldredge
Name: Joseph Aldredge
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St George; Bloombury, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Aldredge 7 months
Joseph Aldredge 30
Joseph N Aldredge 2
Mary Ann Aldredge 34
Fanny Fuller 17
Stanly B Goldsmith 3
Elizabeth Shedd 22



1881 England Census
about Joseph Aldridge
Name: Joseph Aldridge
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: May Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: London Bloomsbury, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 66 Lady Margt Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Solicitor

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Chas. Aldridge 10
Joseph Aldridge 40
Joseph Arthur Aldridge 12
May Ann Aldridge 44
Adelaide Priest 15
Mary Ann Priest 19



Joseph died before he could have fathered JJ, but I'm not ruling him out as JJ's grandfather.


Name: Joseph Aldridge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 42
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 108






Deb:)

claire, wouldnt know how to do that:(

Hi mrs tibbs & claire. yep good idea, they back on 20th, im gonna do tree for them, but they been searching for joe for 3 years, they would probably love to go trawling through it together. take a break & let them get started, we cant do everything, need to get back to my own tree. keep in touch tho. its been a great mystery, oh & wen isaid id do there tree, only do first immediate 5. lol. thanks to you all. sue

Its a good idea Claire - keep the living people info off but just help to put it all together to see how it all works!

x

Sue wait & see what Debs & Mrs Tibs think but I thought you could open a new (free) account just for the Merediths. Then if you made notes of where they were when it might help as it's getting to be a long job to trawl through this thread.

Hi claire its not my tree though! am helping friends.They on hols at mo.

Would it be an idea if Sue set up a new account for the Joseph & anyone that is helping pm her for access?

Yeh debs says jane connected to aldridge.

Ok Sue

If lets say Joseph Aldridge Meredith's father was an Aldridge, he could be one of the sons of Joseph the solicitor. We know he had at least two - Joseph who was aged 6 months in 1841 but cant see him in 1851 and Charles who was 8 in 1851.

So I think we need to trace those two boys!

x

Thanks debs, Hi all here we go, joseph aldridge 9-6-1885, mother minnie meredith, No father, so father is aldridge! lived at no1 chewmagna cottages, harris road, croydon...... sue