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5 Jun 2008 08:25 |
Hi all, found 1881 census, henrietta age 4 pob postcombe gr daug.minnie age 24 pob ireland (traveller/hawker)& elizabeth age 63 pob liverpool also(traveller/hawker. all in residence blackcorner.
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5 Jun 2008 21:59 |
Hi Sue
It looks like it starting to come together!
Any update on Minnie being the mother of JJ and Frances? Can we link the Jane Weston to Elizabeth & Minnie?
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6 Jun 2008 03:37 |
Hi Mrs Tibs,
I've been trying all day to find the link between Elizabeth Meredith and Jane Weston. I have a strong hunch that Jane is the paternal grandmother. The reason I say this is because JJ and Frances were'nt registered Merediths or Westons, so registered under their mother's surname (whatever THAT was!).
Their father was probably Jane's son.
Elizabeth married Minnie's father (probably in Ireland shortly before Minnie was born). I don't think we stand a chance of finding out Elizabeth's maiden name but again, I have a hunch she's Jane's sister.
If that's the case then Manaretta, JJ and Frances are second cousins and not half siblings.
I think that we'd have a much better chance tracing Jane Weston. There's really only one Jane in earlier census records in Lancs that could be her.
I'm just off to find her details.
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6 Jun 2008 05:37 |
Well, that blew out the window. I was able to trace all the Jane Weston's in Liverpool and none of them are her. So, she must have been under a different surname in 1881 and before.
I'm not sure about the following death ref. There were two, one in Godstone 1894 and another in Epsom in 1895. I was able to discount the one in Epsom because that Jane appears on the 1891 census.
As I said, the Godstone one's a bit iffy too because there was two other Jane's around the same age.
The birth years out a bit.
Name: Jane Weston Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Year of Registration: 1894 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 79 District: Godstone County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 133
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6 Jun 2008 09:18 |
hi debs, nina email death cert nothing on there!
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8 Jun 2008 08:27 |
morning all
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8 Jun 2008 09:36 |
Hi Sue,
Did you add the swirly bits to your name?
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8 Jun 2008 11:42 |
Yeh, hate being called susan!
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8 Jun 2008 16:01 |
So all, were do we go now, do we go to parish records & seach for every jeffrey joseph? chertsey not far, all 3 of us could go wen they bk of hols.
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8 Jun 2008 16:10 |
I must admit I'm out of ideas with this one. As we can't find a birth it's possible he wasn't christened Jeffrey Joseph & that's assuming that he was christened.
Has anyone tried the full index for his birth?
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8 Jun 2008 16:13 |
Sorry what do you mean? full index, am i missing something?
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8 Jun 2008 16:16 |
When you look for a birth (I use Ancestry) the ones that have been indexed pop up. Sometimes one is missed so you need to search through the full index 1/4 by 1/4. I'll have a look for you now but may be a while as I'm also in the kitchen being domestic.
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8 Jun 2008 16:24 |
Hi i did find a joseph aldridge meredith, a while ago, will take another look.
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8 Jun 2008 16:36 |
I've checked 1881-1887 but no Jeffery
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8 Jun 2008 22:24 |
Sorry Claire, I should have come on earlier andsaid I've already searched full indexes. It would have saved you some time......................but then again, it's better than mopping floors or hanging out washing....................lol.
OK Sue. Lets have a look at Joseph Aldridge Meredith.
Name: Joseph Aldridge Meredith Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Croydon County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 251
Good so far. He's not in deaths under Meredith or Aldridge.
Double good. He's not in the 1891 census either. I'm not going to get excited just yet. I might jinx us!
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8 Jun 2008 23:12 |
I've been following this woman on a hunch. Could Mana be short for Manaretta?
1871 England Census about Mana Aldridge Name: Mana Aldridge Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St George Bloomsbury County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Solicitor's wife
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: St Giles Sub registration district: St George Bloomsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 65 Household Members: Name Age Charles Aldridge 28 Edith Aldridge 25 Eleanor Aldridge 33 Jane Aldridge 18 Mana Aldridge 60 William H Barton 23 Helen Packwood 22 Ellen Amelia Scarse 32
Now, look who's living 2 doors down. Check out his surname:
1871 England Census about George H Weston Name: George H Weston Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St George Bloomsbury County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: St Giles Sub registration district: St George Bloomsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 71 Household Members: Name Age Edmond Falconer 55 Jane Janning 46 George J Marples 25 Michelangtle Pittatore 45 John E Robinson 22 Jane Watts 19 George H Weston 28<<<<<widower
Now look at Mana again in 1891. See where she's staying?
1881 England Census about Sophia M. Aldridge Name: Sophia M. Aldridge Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Penge County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 11 Derwent Rd Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Annuitant Registration district: Croydon Sub registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 59 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Sophia M. Aldridge 70 Diana P. Britten 62 Sarah Britten 45 Annie M. Gilham 21 Richard James 66 What's the odds of a family with the names Meredith/Aldridge/Weston from the Croydon area?
We've got to be onto something BIG here.
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8 Jun 2008 23:53 |
Following George Weston, he has a new wife, Ellen A.
1901 England Census about George H Weston Name: George H Weston Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen A Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Comedian
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Household Members: Name Age Ellen A Weston 50 George H Weston 58 Visiting friend's or family in Manchester, 1891:
1891 England Census about George Weston Name: George Weston Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Oldham Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Oldham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Comedian
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Oldham Sub registration district: Oldham Above Town ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Margaret Pile 50 William Pile 53 William Thos Pile 23 Ellen Weston 40 George Weston 48
And in 1881, he and Ellen are in Yorkshire. Because of his occupation, I should imagine he would have travelled a lot.
1881 England Census about George Weston Name: George Weston Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Lodger Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Halifax County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 37 Stannary St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Professional Comedian Registration district: Halifax Sub registration district: Halifax ED, institution, or vessel: 53 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Lilly Locke 14 Martha Locke 46 Mary Jane Locke 26 Theresa Locke 10 Ellen Weston 30 George Weston 38
1861 England Census about George Weston Name: George Weston Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Manchester Civil Parish: St Peter Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Comedian
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Nottingham Sub registration district: Castle ED, institution, or vessel: 4e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Edward Bellamy 22 Elizabeth Morley 66 Edward Stokes 30 Edward Stokes 5 Eliza Stokes 30 George Weston 18 WOO HOO BREAKTHROUGH!!!!!!!!
His mother is Jane Weston under the name Falconer. There's no marriage for them, so just living together. And George H Weston was living with Edmund Falconer in 1871!
1851 England Census about George Weston Name: George Weston Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Stepson Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St George The Martyr County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 4c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Edmund Falconer 35<<<<Dramatic author & comedian Jane Falconer 35 Clara Weston 12 Emmeline Weston 4 Frances Weston 16 George Weston 8 Jane Weston 14
Interestingly, Jane gives her birthplace as Ireland, not Liverpool.
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9 Jun 2008 01:14 |
Now, I don't believe this is Jane Weston/Falconer, but I'm sure she's connected to them somehow. Possibly a sister-in-law?
I can see another possible connection with Mana Aldridge as her husband was a solicitor too. Could the Aldridge's and Falconer's have been in practice together?
1881 England Census about Jane Falconer Name: Jane Falconer Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George L. Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 1 Whatly Villa Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Croydon Sub registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 49 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George L. Falconer 67<<<<<solicitor Georgina E. Falconer 28 Jane Falconer 67 1891 England Census about George L Falconer Name: George L Falconer Age: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Thornton Heath County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Retired solicitor
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Croydon Sub registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 61 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emily Cowling 16 George L Falconer 77 Georgina Falconer 40 And of course, we have Jane Weston/Falconer living in Chertsey in 1891.
WESTON, Jane Wife Widow F 70 1821 Liverpool MERIDITH, Jeffries Grandson M 4 1887 Croydon Surrey MERIDITH, Francis Granddaughter F 1 1890 Chertsey Surrey
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG12 Piece: 553 Folio: 93 Page: 2 Registration District: Chertsey Sub District: Chertsey EnumerationDistrict: 14 Ecclesiastical Parish: Byfleet Civil Parish: Byfleet Municipal Borough: Address: Petersham Place, Byfleet County: Surrey
I've also noticed that Jane Weston/Falconer was living in Holborn, smack on top of St Georges Bloomsbury (where Mana Aldridge was) in 1851 with Edmund Falconer.
I've got to have a break from this for now, but hopefully someone else will pick the threads up and follow them through.
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9 Jun 2008 07:02 |
I've been following Edmund Falconer with the hopes of finding Jane Weston after 1851 but no sign of her. She must have left him. Probably got sick of hearing the same old jokes.......................lol.
1861 England Census about Edmund Falconer Name: Edmund Falconer Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Stratford On Avon Town: Stratford On Avon County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Dramatic author
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Stratford On Avon Sub registration district: Stratford on Avon ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 147 Household Members: Name Age Edmund Falconer 45 Anna Kite 10 Hannah Kite 51 Hannah Kite 16 Mary E Kite 15 Sarah Kite 13 Thomas Kite 51
In 1871, he's in St George Bloomsbury with George Weston.
Still trying to find Edmund in 1881.
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9 Jun 2008 07:10 |
Hmmmm.............this is interesting. It looks like he got married:
Name: Edmund Falconer Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: St Giles County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 653
Blast! We have a missing female on page.
Edmund Falconer 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar St Giles London, Middlesex
Edwin Hardisty 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar St Giles London, Middlesex
Edmund O'Rourke 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar St Giles London, Middlesex
Catherine Pocock 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar St Giles London, Middlesex Jeanie Mills 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar St Giles London, Middlesex
I'm still not seeing him in 1881 and he's not in deaths.
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