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Hi Blue Moon

It could be that his second name was Edward and this was what he was know as....... and therefore could have been registered under a different Christian name...

OR...just registered as 'Male' Graham because they hadn't decided on a name when the birth was registered.


It might be worth trying for a birth certificate again quoting his DOB and his father's name.

It might cost a bit more for them to do a full search for the year under the Surname only..but it might just be the only solution!

If you know his mother's name then obviously that would certainly help you.

Your only other solution would be to find a living relative of your father's siblings as they might be able to assist you.

A death certificate of a sibling might lead you to living relative.

Just thought i would update you,

Thanks to a wonderful person called Noel,
I now have a baptism record for my father, Edward Graham,

As a result of that I have been able to find out a bit about my grandparents.

Their names were Peter Graham and Ellen Berney,both born in Dublin,
they got married 5th Feb 1923 in Dublin,
in the presence of Henry Breslin and Mary Moran.

My grand-father,Peter Graham, c1903 Dublin,was a soldier,
residence in 1923 was,36 Mid Gardiner St Dublin.
His father was also a Peter Graham c1880, Dublin,
profession = sailor .

Grand-mother Ellen Berney c1904 ,Dublin,
residence in 1923 was,28 Summerhill Dublin,
her Father was = John Berney c1871 Dublin,a laborer

I think I'm safe going with the 2 families in the 1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Trinity_Ward/Moss_St_/92674/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Clarence_St__North/27686


Thank you to all who have helped,and taken time to read this thread.

PS, i will be asking for more help soon I'm sure,
I've been going in circles for the past few week trying to find info on the grand parents
and Gt grand parents but not found anything yet....lol

Hi Blue moon,
in 1939 Electrol (Dublin) there is a Peter and Ellen Graham living in Bridgefoot Street (Oliver Bond house) Ushers Quay, the only other Peter Graham is with an jANE living in No. 5 Rosse street. Arron Quay.
Henry Breslin is still living ( John and Catherine) with his parents in Summerhill but now at 51 Summerhill,
There is also a John and Ellen Berney living in Clarence Street North who were living in No. 11.4 Summerhill on the 1911 census with an Ellen aged about 7 years old.
If you want to look at the Electrol roll for 1939/40 it is the only on-line so far you will get it on www.dublinheritage.ie only Dublin on it.
Betty.

Hi Betty

Thank you for the info,
I have had a look at www.dublinheritage.ie
and found my grand parents at Bridgefoot St,
but never looked for my gt grand-parents,
who it looks like you have found the Berney ones for me :~)
I will check it again now to see if I can find the Graham's

Thanks again Betty.

Edit,
Betty forgive me I'm probably not looking in the right place, or reading your reply properly,but where did you find in the Electoral register John and Ellen Berney living in Clarence Street North .

Hi Blue Moon, i am sorry for not replying sooner but i was ill, and i must have looked at the last one re. John and Ellen Berney wrong, there is a John and Elizabeth Berney living at No. 13 Gardiner Street Lower and a Catherine and Andrew living just across from them in Number 10, Gardiner Street Lower.
I was in town the to-day looking for my fathers birth cert, went into Joyce house where you get the true cert, all information on it they did a ten year search could not find it it was not on their machine, so i went to the research rooms in The Irish Life mall to look through the books did a ten year search still could not find it, so i said to one of the girls that i had gotten the detalils from the new site on Irish BMDs that the Mormans are doing and would try that one, and it was his so i went back to the girl and said it to her as she had said that it has to be there if it was on the internet so she got down the book to look and she could not find it either.I did find a Ellen Graham (mmn) Birney born in Dublin North in 1928 Volumn 2 Page 294.
The next day that i am in i will get a photocopy of it and get the imformation off it for you.
Betty.

HI Betty

Hope your feeling better,
their has been so many people unwell lately,
i think we could do with a bit of sunshine to make us all feel better.

Thank you so much for looking for the information about John and Ellen Berney.

I have just sent of for 4 certificates,
Peter Graham 1880....birth
Peter Graham & Ellien ? 1900 ....Marriage

John Berney 1871....birth
John Berney & Ellen 1891...marriage

I will let you know what names are on them when I get them,
fingers crossed they can find them !

Thank you once again for all your help.

Hi Blue Moon, did you get any of the certs yet? have not had time to get into Records office yet but looking on the new Mormans site found these might be useful to you.
Marraige PETER Graham and cross reference with Ellen Berney (both same ref. vol. and page) married(Registered) Apr-June 1923 Volumn 2 page 341. Dublin North.
Birth Donald mmn Berney 1937 Volumn 2 Page 417
" Ellen mmn Birney 1928 Volumn 2 Page 294
Male Graham mmn Berney Born Oct-Dec 1930 Volumn 2 PAGE 323
Male Graham mmn Berney Born OCT-DEC 1931 Volumn 2 Page 310.
Born Dublin North.
Regards,
Betty.

Hi Betty,

No,still waiting for the certificates to turn up, I think it was 24 Feb I faxed over for them ( I hope they received the fax)

Thank you for the info,
I have the marriage cert for Peter Graham and Ellen Berney,

Male Graham mmn Berney Born OCT-DEC 1931 , this one is my Dad,Edward.

Male Graham mmn Berney Born Oct-Dec 1930, this one is Gerard
who came as a bit of a surprise,didn't know anything about him but I think he died within a few months.

Name: Gerard Graham
Registration district: Dublin North
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1930
Estimated birth year: 1930
Age: 0
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101738
Volume: 2
Page: 245
Digital GS number: 4202045
Image number: 00131
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958

I will let you know when the certificates, (I'm just hoping they can find them )

Thank you once again,your help is appreciated.
Regards,
Fay.

Hi Betty

They've arrived ( Certificates ) this morning
but.......................................

and I quote

"No entry,corresponding with the particulars in your recent application,
was found, in that period.
this applies to 3 of the 4 that I ordered .

The 4th is note stating they have found an entry and if I want the Certificate I am to return the form and they will send a "sealed certified copy of the entry" the problem is with this one is the year of marriage is 3 years later than the 1911 census says..........AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'm getting the impression they don't want to be found...lol
out of 6 Certificate ordered I have only been able to get 1.

If I didn't laugh id cry...lol

( Dublin )
Peter Graham 1880....birth.....( No entry )
Peter Graham & Ellien ? 1900 ....Marriage.....( No entry )


John Berney 1871....birth.....( No entry )
John Berney & Ellen ? 1891...marriage.....( Ellen would have been 16 years old )

The 1911 Irish Census states they had been married 20 years,(1891)
the only marriage that can be found is
John Berney to Ellen O'Toole in October 1894,
the same year as their daughter Ester was born.
Could it be possible they put the incorrect date on the census !!!

They could well have put the number of years married incorrect on the census...especially if the child was born the same year that they were married!

It happens I'm afraid.

Thank you for your replies

My Dads family are not making things easy,
it took years to get a baptism record for my Dad,his birth certificate has never turned up.

It feels like Ive been here before...lol

I know this is an old thread ....... but my late Mum never had a Birth Certificate. She too was born in Dublin and only had her Baptism Certificate as proof of her existance!

She had to sent it off to get a passport later on in life to go abroad as she was unable to get a Birth Certificate from Ireland.

(I found her other sisters who were born in Dublin and was able to get those. All born at different addresses.)

So, to this day I don't know exactly where she was born in Dublin!
:-(