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2 Mar 2008 15:40 |
Margaret Thanks for that, very useful sites. Regards Julia
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1 Mar 2008 20:54 |
Julia. Look at old occupations and several sites come up
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1 Mar 2008 16:35 |
Hi Selena
Thanks for that, I think that is probably correct. Liverpool was very industrious at that time, so i guess there was a call for a large number of horse teams. What website are you looking at, can I ask.
Regards Julia
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Selena in South East London
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1 Mar 2008 16:19 |
I was serious about him owning a team of horses - got this from a website on old professions
TEAMER / TEAMER MAN / TEAMSTER - person in charge of a team of horses
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1 Mar 2008 13:43 |
Christina
Thats fantastic!!!!!!!!!
Seems like that is the one, I guess on Ada's marriage certificate, for the sake of propierty perhaps, she said her father was Abraham J-B.
Will look into all of that now.
Thank you so much
Julia x
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1 Mar 2008 03:34 |
Christina.
Thats a great bit of detective work. I think you are right about Ada's mother Charlotte.
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Christina(Lancashire)
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1 Mar 2008 00:41 |
Possible registration.
Births Mar 1875 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnson Ada W. Derby 8b 512
Marriage for Charlotte to John Barlow...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BARLOW John Liverpool 8b 20 Buchanan Charlotte Johnson Liverpool 8b 20
Can't find a marriage for Charlotte to Abraham Buchanan. Do you think he might be the one in the 1871 census entry that Alex found? Just wondering about 'Team Owner' and 'Steam Tug Owner'?
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Christina(Lancashire)
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1 Mar 2008 00:22 |
Looks like the Ada Johnson that Selena found the christening for could be the one..........
Bear with me....
Charlotte is listed as 'widow'
1881 England Census about Ada Johnson Name: Ada Johnson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Charlotte Elizth. Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 80 Smithdown Lane Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal) ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada Johnson 6 Charlotte Elizth. Johnson 27 dressmaker James Johnson 3 Charlotte still shown as 'widow' but with three additional children!!!
1891 England Census about Ada Johnson Name: Ada Johnson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: South Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada Johnson 16 Cecil Johnson 5 Elizabeth Johnson 41 dressmaker Henry Johnson 8 James Johnson 14 Nellie Johnson 3 John Wilson 50 boarder Cecil and Nellie's surname mysteriously changed to Buchanan???
1901 England Census about Cecil I Buchanan Name: Cecil I Buchanan Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Stepson Mother's Name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Kirkdale Ecclesiastical parish: St Athanasius County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Kirkdale ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Barlow 51 wife John Barlow 53 head labourer/shipyard worker Cecil I Buchanan 15 stepson Nellie I Buchanan 13 stepdaughter Mabel Bure 7 visitor John Randalls 42 boarder
Original image shows Cecil J & Nellie J.
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29 Feb 2008 21:42 |
Thanks Sylvia I have tried googling every permutation of his name that I can think of!!
I remember being told a while back about a website that listed professions etc in the 19th century, but cannot remember what it was (tried googling that too!!)
Will keep googling
Regards Julia x
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29 Feb 2008 21:02 |
Have you tried googling Abraham's name??
If he was a team owner, it does indeed imply Everton or Liverpool .... and his name may be out there.
sylvia
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Selena in South East London
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29 Feb 2008 20:12 |
is this a possible, nothing for Buchanan
Ada Johnson
Christening: 14 DEC 1874 St Mary'S, Edge Hill, Lancashire, England
Father: Abraham Thomas Johnson Mother: Charlotte Elizabeth
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Selena in South East London
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29 Feb 2008 20:08 |
perhaps he owned a team of horses, pulling a carriage or something similar.
or a football team (only joking)
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29 Feb 2008 20:05 |
Hi Alex Had a crisis, only just got back to this!!!!!
Abraham on the marriage cert was listed as "Team Owner", any ideas???
Her address at the time of marriage was 14 Apollo Street, Everton.
Any thoughts, gratefully accepted.
Julia x
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27 Feb 2008 14:45 |
Let me know what you find - sadly I cant seem to see Ada with the family at all but you never know!
Also might be worth checking out who the witnesses were too - that might yield some more clues!
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27 Feb 2008 13:13 |
Thanks for all that Alex. Have wondered before if Phoebe was an older sister of Ada's. Will check marriage cert tonight and see what it says. Thanks again regards Julia
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FamilyFogey
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27 Feb 2008 13:03 |
So no idea whether its any help to you - but perhaps once you get home tonight and check his occupation it can at least rule him out if nothing else!
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27 Feb 2008 13:03 |
1871 England Census about Abraham Buchannon Name: Abraham Buchannon Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 32 Gt. Craven St.
Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Islington ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 157 Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Buchannon 38 Steam Tug Manager b. Liverpool Alice Buchannon 32 b. Liverpool Pheobe Buchannon 12 Scholar b. Liverpool Abraham Buchannon 9 months b. Liverpool
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3788; Folio: 99; Page: 32; GSU roll: 841896.
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27 Feb 2008 12:58 |
1881 England Census about Abraham Buchanan Name: Abraham Buchanan Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Gender: Male Where born: Lpool Civil Parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 22 Nursery Street Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Alice Buchanan 43 (married) Lodger Dressmaker b. Liverpool Abraham Buchanan 10 Scholar b. Liverpool
John Hookeray 49 (wid) (Head) Dock Labourer b. Liverpool Fanny Jepson 47 (wid) Lodger b.Liverpool Dora McGrath 28 (married) Lodger Headmistress (husband at sea) b, Manchester Mgt. McGrath 3 b. Liverpool My.J. McGrath 8 Scholar b. Liverpool Chas. Parkins 26 Lodger Dock Labourer b. Liverpool Elizh. Parkins 22 b. Bombay Wm. Spencer 50 Lodger Carter b. Liverpool
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3595; Folio: 80; Page: 37; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341861.
Will look for them in 1871
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FamilyFogey
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27 Feb 2008 12:54 |
1861 England Census about Abraham Buchanan Name: Abraham Buchanan Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 35 Hatton Gardens
Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Dale Street ED, institution, or vessel: 8g Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Buchanan 29 Warehouseman b. Liverpool Alice Buchanan 32 b. Liverpool Phoeba (Phoebe) Buchanan 3 b. Liverpool
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2667; Folio: 44; Page: 12; GSU roll: 543009.
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27 Feb 2008 12:52 |
1851 England Census about Abraham Buchanan Name: Abraham Buchanan Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: Vauxhall Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Dale Street ED, institution, or vessel: 1q Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 182 Household Members: Name Age
Henry Read 9 Mo Henry Read 3 Henry Read 55
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2179; Folio: 537; Page: 44; GSU roll: 87177-87178.
The Read family are wrong - no idea why they are on that record!
It should be:
44 Prussia St
Robert Buchanan 49 (wid) Cordwainer b. Lathom Henry Buchanan 20 Printer b. Liverpool Abraham Buchanan 17 Optician b. Liverpool
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