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25 Feb 2008 07:14 |
Apologies, not Tavistock at all, but Stoke Damerel - Free BMD says this is became first Devonport and then Plymouth, so perhaps a better fit for where they were in 1881:
Name: Florence Minnie Davis Year of Registration: 1877 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Stoke Damerel County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 315
This is a bit late though - the Minnie Akenhead Davies in Mar 1873 is a better fit - I think you've already mentioned that one?
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Ivy
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25 Feb 2008 07:29 |
A couple of possible marriages for Minnie:
Marriages Dec 1906 Davies Minnie Catherine Pancras 1b 31 GARROD Henry Edward Pancras 1b 31 Greenaway Amy Matilda Pancras 1b 31 WILLIAMS Thomas Pancras 1b 31
Marriages Sep 1898 DAVIES Minnie Poplar 1c 1050 FARRELL John Henry V Poplar 1c 1050 FARRELL John Henry Y Poplar 1c 1050 Greenaway Constance Fannie C Poplar 1c 1050 Greenaway Constance Fanny C Poplar 1c 1050 White Arthur James Poplar 1c 1050
(Free BMD transcribes entries twice, to help eliminate errors - any slight differences result in a double posting)
(There may be more - I was looking for Gr*y as an associated surname)
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The Lady Marion
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25 Feb 2008 07:38 |
Thanks Ladies. I have seen the Minnie Akenhead Davies on freebmd Ivy but I,m not sure? I have looked up the name Akenhead and its a surname. Perhaps it comes from the Prisk side of all this or maybe the Davies side. Do you know Ivy I was thinking about Minnie today and wondered if her first name could have been Florence? How strange was that you finding a Florence Minnie. I hope both you and Sylvia get to read this as it might help but on my Great Grandparents Marriage Cert if gives both their residences as Woodstock. I thought perhaps this might have been a Farm of some sought where they both worked but where it was located is a mystery to me. I did email a place in England called Woodstock which is a old homested but they never replied back, This homested if thats what you would call it is a kind of holiday retreat and a step back in time. Just as a point of interest the two witnesses on the Marriage Cert were the Minister and his wife. I wont add their names as I dont think its of any value. Ivy can you find Florence Minnie in the Census? I am also wondering if this was Florrie one of the witnesses on my Grandparents Marriage Cert. Sylvia bless you. You have helped me so much today. To both ladies thankyou very much.
Marionxx
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The Lady Marion
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25 Feb 2008 07:46 |
Ivy silly me went straight past the marriages for minnie. I would be thinking Poplar would be the right area. No Grey as a surname mentioned though so its back to the old drawing board. Maybe they were friends of my Grandparents. My Nan also had a sister called Florence but I dont think it was her. Nans sister married twice firstly to a fellow with the surname of Ackril then the second marriage was to a fellow with the surname of Slater. Oh Deary me.
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The Lady Marion
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25 Feb 2008 08:17 |
Ladies I just wanted to share something with you both. It maybe nothing of importance but in any case I will continue. About two years ago while searching through the 1901 Census I came across an Ada Hawthorn,Nellie Davies or Davis and another name which I cannot remember. To this day I have never found those Census again and wished I had of taken note of them. I could even be wrong with the Census year but to explain further Ada Hawthorn was my Nans sister Florence,s friend. I remember Miss Hawthorn as she lived with my Nan in Woolwich and I would go and spend some time with her when my Mother tokk me for a visit to Nans. Strange how on the Census the name Davis/Davies was there also . I think they were Servants? Florence my Nans sister maiden name Whitehead was also a servant. I often over the years have wondered how my Grandparents met. Perhaps Miss Hawthorn worked with my Granddads sister and Flornece being a friend of Miss Hawthorn.. Well you can guess where I am going. Just wanted to share this with you both as it could or could not be another name re Davies/Davis.
Marionxx
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26 Feb 2008 04:18 |
Hi Marion
what sort of birth date would we be looking at for Ada??
sylvia
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Ivy
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26 Feb 2008 07:31 |
Hi Marion,
Just thinking through the relationships (logging off shortly)
your grandfather's sisters may be Florence and Nellie as well as Minnie;
he married
your grandmother nee Whitehead
her sister (your great-aunt) Florence nee Whitehead, m Ackrill and then Slater
her friend Ada Hawthorne - so perhaps around the same age as your grandfather?
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Ivy
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26 Feb 2008 07:33 |
This one is a bit young and may be the wrong spelling, but is in Greenwich in 1901:
Name: Ada M L Haythorne Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry A Mother's Name: Jessie Gender: Female Where born: St John, London, England Civil Parish: Greenwich Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England
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Ivy
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26 Feb 2008 07:34 |
This one is a visitor in the West Midlands in 1901, staying with the Box family
Name: Ada Hawthorne Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Chelsea, London, England Civil Parish: Balsall Heath Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England
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26 Feb 2008 07:37 |
Oh! Suddenly realised Hawthorn may be her married name:
Name: Ada Hawthorn Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Gender: Female Where born: Camden, London, England Civil Parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude Kensal Green County/Island: London Country: England
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26 Feb 2008 07:39 |
The 1901 only offers two more with soundex for Hawthorn, neither married:
1) Visitor with Broths (Ava and William S)
Name: Ada E Hathorn Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Chiswick, Kent, England Civil Parish: Charlton Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England
2) With her family:
Name: Ada Maud Hathorne Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Emily Gender: Female Where born: Islington, London, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England
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The Lady Marion
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26 Feb 2008 08:18 |
Hello Ladies, Well what can I say. I really have to put my old thinking cap on and transport myself back to my childhood at my Nans house in John Wilson Street Woolwich. I am back in my Nans hallway looking at the old gas lamps on the wall and I am feeling scared all over again. I hated that hallway but knew if I ran quickly it would take me to Miss Hawthorn. Trying to remember the stories as my Mother related to me Miss Hawthorn was just that and never married but there were stories that she had a son born out of wedlock? My Nans sister Florence and Miss Hawthorn were best friends. I dont remember my Great Aunt Florence but I do remember Miss Hawthorn. In her little room down Nans Hallway was everything she needed. Today it would be something like a bed sit. Ladies I cant really add any more than that. Too long ago. I only wish I had of taken more notice of those Census with the names on I mentioned instead of saying..Fancy That and never finding them again. I think the third name was Annie Barker or Carter? My Grandfathers brother George did marry Annie Carter but ladies these names could just be a coincidence of three other very old ladies that shared the same names.
Marionxx
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The Lady Marion
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26 Feb 2008 08:26 |
Hi Sylvia, I dont know when Miss Hawthorn was born but she always seemed old to me. My Great Aunt Florence was born in the 1880s. My Nan and her sisters were all born in Woolwich (Aldershot) as my Great Grandfather served in the Royal Artillery.
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The Lady Marion
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26 Feb 2008 09:09 |
Sylvia and Ivy just wanted to let you both know that I have employed the services of the Greenwich Archives to help me with my Great Great Grandmother Harriett Ackley. This place does research for Marriages and Baptisms for the area of Southwark and in particular St Mary Magdeline Church where most of my Ancestors were either married or Baptised. I have had no success with the Census so lets hope Greenwich Archives can come up with something. Just wanted to let you both know as you both helped with this one. Marionx
ps Sylvia this is the Harriett staying with the Boughtons and the mystery solved about the name for Catherine Hershey being Henley
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Ivy
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26 Feb 2008 22:59 |
Hi Marion,
Ada was quite a rare name before about 1890. I've had a look further back, and perhaps the most likely one, given the Woolwich connection, is this one?
Name: Ada Hawthorn Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry Gender: Female Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England Civil Parish: Charlton Next Woolwich County/Island: London Country: England Street address: "Huts Camp Ryl Horse Infirmary" Woolwich Common
Occupation: Daur Of Sergeant (Scholar) Registration district: Woolwich Sub-registration district: Charlton ED, institution, or vessel: Huts Camp
Household Members: Name Age Blanche Lilian Chanon 7 Charles Dale 21 Jane M. Dean 60 Martha Dean 28 Danie Florence Dwyer 9 Edward Charles Dwyer 5 John Cornelius Dwyer 37 Kate Margurite Dwyer 2 Margaret Dwyer 32 Winifred Lilian Mary Dwyer Bertram W. Edmonds 11 Elizabeth Edmonds 11 Gertrude W. Edmonds 8 Henry Josep Edmonds 10 James Edmonds 33 Sophia Matilda Edmonds 31 Ada Hawthorn 5 Albert Hawthorn 3 Arthur Hawthorn 2 George Hawthorn 7 Henry Hawthorn 35 Henry Hawthorn 11 Jane Hawthorn 28 Ruth Hawthorn 6 Walter Hawthorn 9 George Jamieson 17 Ellen Kate Marchant 20 William Morrisey 42 Jane Mary Smith 27
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The Lady Marion
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27 Feb 2008 01:38 |
Thanks Ivy. Possibly my Great Aunt Florence knew Miss Hawthorne when they were very young girls in the Army Barracks. My Nan and her sisters were all born in the Barracks at Aldershot. I dont think those Census will ever be found as I cant remember the year.? Thinking now it must just have been a name coincidence for the three ladies in question. Kind of eerie.
Marionx
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