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I have a conundrum! My grandfather (Henry Charles George Smith - born 31/12/1904 in Tonbridge) has a birth certficate naming the mother as Annie (nee Musgrave) and not naming the father. I believe the Husband was a Henry Charles Smith, but cannot find any records of an Annie Musgrave marrying a Henry Smith, or any census record for 1901 or 1911 that give any clues to how I proceed from here? Any help or thoughts gratefuly received.
bob

If she didn't name a father then she must not have been married to him.

Have you looked for them on 1911 census ?

On the birth ceertificate Annie is names as the mother as Mrs Smith, nee Musgrave. Whilst I realise this may well mena that Mr Smith is not necessarily the fatehr, she was married to him and I can't find the marriage register. Nor can I find any Annie smith with son Henry in the 1911 census.

I don't have a sub, but this entry appears to have an Ann and Henry attached to it

HOUSEHOLD SMITH HENRY M 1904 7 Tonbridge Kent

Andy

That looks positive Andy, what is the search on teh 1911 census you used as I can't get that result?

Andrew does the 1911 entry say if Annie is Married, or widowed ?

This looks to be the 1911 stated above:-

BELL, Elizabeth Ellen Wife Married 5 years F 30 1881 Looking After Children Marden Kent VIEW
SHARP, Philip Henry Boarder M 7 1904 School London VIEW
MORI, William Boarder M 11 1900 School London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Boarder M 7 1904 School Portsmouth VIEW
BRUNT, William Boarder M 8 1903 School London VIEW
GANNEY, Edward Francis Boarder M 7 1904 School Tunbridge Wells VIEW
EASTON, Henry Boarder M 9 1902 School Isle of Dogs VIEW
RAINDLE, William Boarder M 10 1901 School Newbury Berkshire VIEW
BELL, George Arthur Son M 4 1907 Marden Kent VIEW
MOON, Mary Ann Mother Widow F 66 1845 Marden Kent VIEW
CURTIS, John Albert Boarder M 10 1901 School London VIEW
FRITSCHE, Charles Boarder M 7 1904 School London VIEW
POWELL, Frederick Baden Boarder M 11 1900 School London VIEW
POWELL, Edward Albert Boarder M 8 1903 School London VIEW
HUNTER, Eric Boarder M 9 1902 School India VIEW
O NEIL, Bryan Harry Boarder M 10 1901 School London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4052 Reference:
RG14PN4052 RG78PN156 RD50 SD1 ED13 SN293

Registration District:
Tonbridge Sub District:
Tunbridge Wells Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Tunbridge Wells

Address:
9 Princes St Tunbridge Wells County:
Kent

It says it is a school, but it could be a children's home?

This is another could be:-

1911 census transcription details for: 1 Cobden Cottages London Road

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN4048 RG78PN156 RD50 SD1 ED9 SN14


Reg. District: Tonbridge Sub District: Tunbridge Wells
Parish: Tunbridge Wells Enum. District: 9

Address: 1 Cobden Cottages London Road
County: Kent


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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SMITH, Frederick Head Married M 37 1874 Railway Engine Driver Sussex Wadhurst

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SMITH, Constance Annie Wife Married
13 years F 34 1877 Devon Charleton

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SMITH, Bertha Annie Daughter F 12 1899 School Kent Tunbridge Wells

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SMITH, Elsie Daughter F 9 1902 Kent Tunbridge Wells

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SMITH, Henry George Son M 5 1906 Kent Tunbridge Wells

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FARR, Mary Ann Mother In Law Widow F 70 1841 Devon Charleton

So you have any other info?
Did he have any siblings?
Do you know Annie's date of birth, or her parents names?

thank Cathereine and Barbara - I have already discounted these two entries. The first says born portsmouth and the second has a mother in law by name of Farr rather than Musgrave?

The problem Catherine is I haven't got anything - hence my block. All I have to go on is the original birth certificate of my grandfather (which I have) and have been unable to get anywhere else as my Mother doesn't recollect anything, although she doesn't recall any uncles or aunts on that side, and my grandfather died in 1969.

Hi,

I don't have subs to the 1911 census. This lad was born in Kent;


HOUSEHOLD SMITH HENRY CHARLES M 1905 6 Greenwich London


Dee x

Do you have your grandfather's marriage cert.?
What is noted in father's name and occupation?
What was his address at the time of the marriage?

Is this his marriage???

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Henry C G Smith
Name: Henry C G Smith
Spouse Surname: Stark
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1932
Registration district: Tonbridge
Registration county (inferred): Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1997
Find Spouse: Edith B Stark


Do you have his marriage cert?? if so did he name a father and who were the witnesses??



Dee x

1911 Greenwich:-
SMITH, Harry Head Married M 26 1885 Bricklayer Laborer Kent Greenwich VIEW
SMITH, Ellen Mary Wife Married 12 years F 35 1876 Kent Greenwich VIEW
SMITH, Ellen Mary Daughter F 11 1900 Kent Greenwich VIEW
SMITH, Agnes Dora Daughter F 9 1902 Kent Greenwich VIEW
SMITH, Henry Charles Son M 6 1905 Kent Greenwich VIEW
SMITH, Louisa Jane Daughter F 4 1907 Kent Greenwich VIEW
SMITH, John Charles Son M 2 1909 Kent Greenwich

........mother Ellen Mary???

I do have his marriage certificate to my grandmother which is in June 1932, and his father is listed as Henry Charles Smith (Deceased).....

Thanks Catherine.......... another 1 ruled out.


Dee x

bob1,

was there an occupation for Henry Snr on the marriage cert? Were the witnesses of any help?


Dee x

Dee, no occpation unfortunately. The witnesses appear to be all from the stark side of the marriage.

Oh bob1, I don't envy you.

What about the address on the birth certificate? Or have you checked the electoral roll for the address given when he married?


Deex