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ROSS - CASEY - MELLOR

I have information that Mary Ann Casey who married Hiram Ross (1907), was the daughter of Henry Casey (b.Ireland) and Elizabeth Mellor. Henry and Elizabeth married on 25 July 1896 at St Ann's Catholic Church, Manchester. On the marriage certificate, Elizabeth's father is named as Ralph Mellor, deceased Stonemason.

I am having trouble searching Elizabeth in the Census results. I know Henry was from ireland. I now wonder if Elizabeth was also born in Ireland.

Is anyone able to provide me with any clues or infomation? I don't know Elizabeth's mothers name.

Thankyou,
Susan

Birth certificate for Henrietta, father John

Marriage certificate Bennett-Ross, father John

Marriage certificate Bennett-Baker, father George. ???

Marriage certificate Baker - Bennett
George Bennett, Lodging House Keeper
Henrietta 19 years old - Cigar maker

Witnesses : Robert Manning
John Paisk ( my interpretation )

1881, searchable by occupation, has one George Bennett lodging house keeper, in Hove, Sussex. I was a little excited when I saw a 13-yr-old Harriot Quinn in the household ... but she was a servant. Drat.

Oh, oh, sorry, I see. We've cracked her back to the Baker marriage, but not her birth.

What is her stated age on the marriage certificate? Witnesses?

Sorry, yes 31st March, 1867. 29 Crown Lane.

My Henrietta - Peter marriage certificate showss father is George, I am confused again. I need to search for Birth cert with father George I guess.

Susan -- should the date for Henrietta there be 1867? (rather than 1887)


So ... we've cracked Henrietta then??

New information:

Birth certificate: Henrietta Bennett 31.03.1887, father John Bennett,( Journeyman Joiner) mother Mary Bennett formerly Gallagher(?),

Marriage certificate: 09.11.1885
Peter Baker to Henrietta Bennett - father GEORGE Bennett(Lodging house Keeper)

Hi EvieBeavie,

Thanks for today's information. I will order a copy of Henrietta's birth certificate tomorrow. I was excited to note on Charles's & Herietta's marriage certificate, tomorrow (31/3) is 100 years to the day of their wedding.....

I rang my Dad today to update him. He tells me today, he remembers an Aunt (news to me). He has an idea she moved to America. He also cycled to the outskirts of Preston (not sure exact location) to visit who I presume ,was his Uncle Walter. He thinks it was the only time they had contact. Charles died in an industrial accident.

On checking Eleanor's tree( thanks to Eleanor), she is the same place as me in the Ross tree ,with the other Charles Ross. (Son of Hiram St Quinton. * I could never make the tie up......

I forget whether we did this -- I'd say this is Henrietta:

Births Jun 1867
BENNETT Henrietta Manchester 8d 274


and in 1871:

Name: Henrietta Bennett
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester

John Bennett 40
Mary Bennett 40
Cisseley Bennett 12
Mary Bennett 8
Harriett Bennett 6
Henrietta Bennett 4

So he really would seem to be the 1901 Charles:

Name: Chas Ross
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

fudging his age somewhat (he would have been 47ish). Note that Henrietta is still saying she's 40 in the 1911. She gave her age as 34 in 1901. Which would make 42 in 1909. They both just gave nice round numbers, I'd say.

I would still say to get her previous marriage cert:

Marriages Dec 1885
> Baker Peter Manchester 8d 323
> Bennett Henrietta Manchester 8d 323

just to tie it up (check father's name, e.g.). Oh, well, I guess the surname Bennett in 1885 -- father John Bennett in 1909 -- kind of does that. ;)

Yup. I'm always right and I never lie!

new information:

31 March 1909, marriage of Charles ROSS (bachelor) & Henrietta BAKER(widow). Both aged 40.

Father of Charles : William ROSS
Father of Henrietta: John Bennett

It was either a very long pregnancy or immaculate conception ! Even if she delayed registering the child, only the cert can tell !

Many thanks Lindsey,

That is a whole lot of family to find. Who fathered Charles(1912),maybe Henrietta was pregnant at time of Census

Susan

me: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: Report error View Original Page
BAKER LATE ROSS, HENRIETTA HEAD WIDOW F 40 HOUSE WORK LANC M/C
BAKER, ELIZABETH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 22 BRACE - MAKER LANC M/C
BAKER, PETER SON SINGLE M 18 DONKY BRAND MAKER LANC M/C
BAKER, JAMES SON SINGLE M 16 SULLE MAKER FOR COTTON MILL LANC M/C
ROSS, ALICE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 4 SCHOOL LANC M/C
ROSS, WALTER SON SINGLE M 6 SCHOOL LANC M/C
ROSS, HYRAM SON SINGLE M 3 SCHOOL LANC M/C
CINCH, MARY LODGER MARRIED F 30 CLEANER LANC M/C

Address 3 CHARLTON ST ROCHDALE ROAD MANCHESTER County Lancashire
District Manchester Subdistrict St George

Cheers,

I am not yet thinking out of the square. I will pursue my searching. Now I have more rellies than I expected. I look forward to plenty of Hot Matches in the not too distant future.

Take care,

Susan

Good one Lindsey, the Baker children in 1911.

Susan -- this is about as close as you get to conclusive evidence without documentary proof.

Henrietta Bennett married Peter Baker and is with him and their children in the 1901 census.

Peter Baker died in 1901.

Henrietta (Bennett) Baker married Charles Ross in 1909, and in the 1911 census she is using the surname Baker again (perhaps because of her children; she is evidently estranged from Charles Ross) and has both the Baker children and your Ross children with her.

Q.E.D., almost.

(edited to fix my 1901 census blooper to 1911)

Phew, I am getting hung up on what I don't know! My father certainly didn't know anything of the extra children in the equation. He only ever knew one Uncle Charles. No Alice or Walter that's for sure.

LOL, unmarried grandparents, my father is a black / white man, no grey!

Oh yeah, oh Yeah, skeleton's come one, come all.

Cheers

Okay, so it looks like she was widowed and that is *not* our Charles Alexander Ross: born 1857, married 1875 and died:

Deaths Dec 1878
ROSS Charles Alexander 22 Chorlton 8c 584

1881

Name: Lucy Ross
[Lucy Cassely]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Bartholomew
Mother's Name: Beatrice
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Chorlton On Medlock
County/Island: Lancashire

Street address: 39 Greek St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Mantle Saleswoman

Registration district: Chorlton

Bartholomew Cassely 64
Beatrice Cassely 55
Emily Cassely 30
Lucy Ross 26
Alfred T. Cassely 18


The person who married a Charles Alexander Ross in 1875.

Now -- she could be widowed ... or she could be estranged/deserted ...