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Hi guys after trying all day yesterday and most of today,I am reluctantly asking for help. I have a marriage cert and part of it I am struggling with.

It says the father of John Robert Hall born 1917 in Durham is NICHOL Hall, I cant find Nichols birth or death, but I can find his marriage. By 1941 he is deceased and a coal miner.

On ancestry there is a thomas nichol hall who died in the great war in 1916, maybe his wife was pregnant when he died and maybe he didnt like his name of thomas, or maybe Im completely wrong. Besides ordering this other marriage cert which I will do, there should still be a birth and a death for him, why not.

THANKS to everyone. 22.6.10 Im in a quandry, tried to get intouch with Maryb again, she kindly found me the death of Isabella Patten/Patton but it says died 1986, my friend was told his grandma died before he was born in 1960, Im really worried, Im sure this death is correct, has he been deceived for 50 years.
PLEASE HELP. thanks to all UPDATE HERE 10.7.10 PLEASE ANYONE WHO HAS ACCESS TO WW1 RECORDS IS THERE ANY INFO ON NICHOLAS HALL BORN 1892 DIED 1918 ORGINALLY FROM DURHAM. many thanks

Leesle are you sure about that date of birth? because i can't find John born 1917?

thanks for answering, it shows marriage in 1941 for John Robert Hall to Hannah Ball county of Durham.
Hannah is 19 years old (sent for her birth cert)
and John Robert is 24 years of age. bachelor farm labourer.
his father is Nichol hall deceased coal miner.

Is this him with mother's maiden name Mearis??

Births Jun 1917
Hall John R - Mearis - Durham 10a 711

hi thanks for answering, I dont know the mothers maiden name is as I couldnt find his birth, but that looks exactly right, thankyou, but where did you find it, I did try freebmd and ancestry.
Maybe I was confused as the nichol hall marriage seems to be to a wood female. so I guessed maybe the John Robert birth should have been mmn Wood

It looks like this is the marriage for parents of the above John R in 1917 so not Nichol.

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Marriages Jun 1911

Black Alma M Durham 10a 776
Blakey William E Durham 10a 776
............Hall John R Durham 10a 776
............Mearis Edith Durham 10a 776

I wonder if this birth and marriage could be a match - It is only a year out

Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
Hall John R Oxley Houghton 10a 925

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
BURNS Jane W Stark Chester-le-S. 10a 1117
**Hall Nicholas O Oxley Chester-le-S. 10a 1117
**Oxley Isabella Hall Chester-le-S. 10a 1117
Stark John T Burns Chester-le-S. 10a 1117

My cousin has just phoned,she says from memory from the death cert he was born 1920. why he would say different on his marriage cert I dont know.

thanks for your help

May need to start again.
When you say John Robert was born in Durham - where did you get that information from?

Could John R have been born before mother married Nichol in which case he may be registered in her surname... which may or may not be Wood, if you've found what you think is Nichol's marriage

K you maybe on to something,the name oxley is significant a child was taken in, or adopted we dont know with the mothers maiden name oxley

Michael, relative of this person just always believed his family were all from Durham, but Im open to suggestions

K forgive me being stupid the birth and marriage youve shown me, can you break it down, are you saying that who could be the father of John Robert and do you mean he has been married twice.

I apologise for giving you all such a hard conumdrum. I really did work on this for eight hours yesterday and since 9am this morning, I just dont understand it.

does this bit of info help at all, brought up with John Robert hall was a Johnson Patton.

whether its the right one or not there is a marriage for a olive oxley to a patton on freebmd, sorry cant remember area. seems like a knotty piece of string to me.

If the Nicholas O Hall /Oxley marriage is right...?

Name: Nicholas O Hall
Death Registration Month/Year: 1918
Age at death (estimated): 26
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 824

hi that could be right, if the child was born 1915.

thanks rambling rose I will send for that love to see what O stands for.

I am wondering if olive oxley and isabella oxley are sisters. so isabelle brought up her son johnson patton.

To all many thanks

from that death cert age wise this could be a poss
not uncommon of course but two of the brothers are John and Robert, father Robert so the names could have been passed down?

1901 England Census
about Nicholas Hall
Name: Nicholas Hall
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Rainton, Durham, England

Civil parish: West Rainton
Ecclesiastical parish: West Rainton St Mary
Town: West Rainton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-registration district: Hetton le Hole
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hall 37
Mary A Hall 33
Robert Hall 13
William B Hall 11
Nicholas Hall 9 ***
John Hall 6
Edward Hall 3

thanks Rambling Rose, that is showing Nicholas as a little boy I assume, most probably those names are still in the family.

youve all been so kind

Was this the one in your family.
Johnson t Patton mum nee Oxley registered in lancester Durham A/M/J 1922 10a 662.

I can't find the marriage of Olive oxley to patton on Ancestry site.

Maryb
Nicholas Ord Hall born A/M/J 1892 Chester Le Street 10a 549
Parents were Robert Hall 1864 and Mary Alice Brown Carter 1868

hi mary thats right, thats him.

Ord what an unusual name, thanks for that, youre all brill