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HI All..... here we go again, another one!!!

( i just want an easy tree....please) lol

I have my Nan, Ivy Freda Grace Payne.... cert details

Born 17 May 1920, 12 Spencer Road, St Pancras.
Mother Ethel Payne formerly Warby, father John Payne, Railway Platelayer.

I am struggling to find her parents on the 1911 or indeed any census at all...and be sure it's them. I thought i had their marriage cert but i fear it's not them!!

Details are...

17th April 1911, John Payne 29 Batch, Gardener, Hatfield, Father Jabez Payne Gardener.
married Ethel Marshall Warby 28, Spin, no occ, Hatfield, Father John Warby Gardener.

Married at the Parish Church, Bishop's Hatfield.

Witness's Charles Warby & maud S Warby.

Ivy had 1 brother (that i know of) Reginald D Payne, born 2 years previous.

Ivy was married in Cairo and i am still awaiting her marriage cert.

I want to get a bit further back on Ivy's side, i'm not too certain the marriage cert is going to give me anything more than i have already, as she married during the war in a Military ceremony, so the witness's are not going to help me any!


Tracey x

1911??

Address:
10 Kimberley Road Fleetville St Albans

PAYNE, Jabey Head Married M 51 1860 Gardener Domestic Beds Arlesey
PAYNE, Emily Wife Married
30 years F 51 1860 Beds Henlow
PAYNE, Arthur Son Single M 24 1887 Gardener Domestic Beds Clifton
PAYNE, Annie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Folder Printers Herts Wheathampstead
PAYNE, Charley Son M 14 1897 Feeder Printers Herts Wheathampstead
PAYNE, Ellen Daughter F 13 1898 School Herts Wheathampstead
PAYNE, Emily Daughter F 11 1900 School Herts Wheathampstead VIEW
PAYNE, Minnie Daughter F 9 1902 School Herts Wheathampstead VIEW
PAYNE, Alice Daughter F 8 1903 School Herts Wheathampstead VIEW
PAYNE, Ethel Daughter F 4 1907 School Herts Wheathampstead VIEW
>>>WARBY, Ethel Visitor Single F 28 1883 Cook Domestic Beds Luton


Edit
Whoops,just realised you want her parents...
Confusion,you are looking for Ivys parents yes?

Hey Viv

Well now you see that fits the marriage one.... had seen that, and started to scream at that point, cos of the precise link to the marriage....

But John Payne i have is a Railway Platelayer.... i cannot imagine him being a Gardener only 9 years later? I suppose it's possible?


Tracey x

....and yes Ivy's parents are whom i;m trying to find.

Tracey x

But, but, Tracey,,,there is no John Payne on that one that I posted,only Ethel Warby..

But but but Viv,

Look at the name of the father (head of house on the 1911) and the name of John's father on the marriage cert!! ...and his occupation!

LOL

Thats why i started screaming!


T xx

Ooooooooo,yes,
I will have to think about it longer in future.

Was this the eldest sibling of Ivys?

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Payne Reginald D Warby Pancras 1b 142

I was so sure that cert was the right one i've had the data on my tree for 3 years.... my mother gave me the data!!!

I order the cert and i get all this... i cannot find a Payne/ Warby marriage other than the one i have?? Which is bizarre....


T xx

Yes thats him....

....he vanishes to a new life somewhere hot, Bahamas, Bermuda or something similar. Never to be seen of again...


T xx

So we have to find this one on 1901 and 1911 then,have you?

But John Payne i have is a Railway Platelayer.... i cannot imagine him being a Gardener only 9 years later? I suppose it's possible?

Anything is poss isnt it,maybe he had enough of railways and joined his fathers trade ?


John payne born 1882 ish

There is no John with Jabez and co in 1901 is there?

But there is in 1891.

PAYNE, John Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Clifton
Bedfordshire

1901

PAYNE, John Boarder Single M 19 1882 Railway Porter
Clifton
Bedfordshire

I will have to look at this again tomorrow Tracey,I am too tired now.

But someone may have solved your prob by then of course.

Hey Viv,

Thanks for that i flaked before you....!!

I'm not discounting this marriage actually being the right one! Maybe he left the railway to please his dad and then by 1920 he's gone back to the railway?

I looked at that John Payne before.... in 1901 being 19 i think he's just not home maybe?

It def needs loads of brain work!

I'm heading to work myself so i'll be checking in as and when i can today!

Thanks for your efforts so far!

Tracey x

Hmm,there seems to be no birth to correspond to this.

Ethel Marshall Warby age 28 in 1911 as per M/C,

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1901

WARBY, John Head Married M 45 1856 Gardeners Labourer
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1857
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Ethel Daughter Single F 18 1883
Luton
Bedfordshire
WARBY, Alfred Son Single M 15 1886 Gardeners Labourer
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Alice Daughter Single F 12 1889
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Charlie Son M 9 1892
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Robert Son M 6 1895
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Edith Daughter F 4 1897
Hatfield



Ha !
1891

WARBY, John Head Married M 36 1855 Labourer
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1857
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
CURRELL, Maud Stepdaughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
CURRELL, Ethel M Stepdaughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Luton
Berkshire
WARBY, Alfred J Son M 5 1886
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Alice E Daughter F 2 1889
Hatfield
Hertfordshire


Sept 1882 birth.

Currell Ethel Marshall Luton 3b 427

Hey Viv.

How weird you reply as i looked on the site.....

I have found an Ethel Warby (without a middle name) as per BC of Ivy, the 1893 one in Ware.... So i've ordered that one.

I can see this being a very expensive hunt!

I still cannot find anything to discount the marriage i found and the birth of Ivy are linked.


Tracey x

I have been editing on page one,sorry.

When did Ethel and John die?
Do you know?

Nope i know nothing about them at all...... i only knew their names from 3rd hand data!.... Obviously thats been proven by the certs.

My Nan (Ivy) died when i was 11 (she was only 62), so i wasn't really old enough to know stories of the past!

They are a massive black hole for me.... Grrr


Tracey x

Hi Tracey,

Would love to try to help but have had my 1 year old grandson all day and am quite kn***ered!!

I have bookmarked your thread and will have a good look tomorrow when my brain has recovered.


That's if Viv has not already solved it !!

Best regards,

Dea Xxx