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got to go to beddddd, but ann i guess 17 would fit. i'll look again tomoz evening good nite and thanks xxx

So ... you are sure Sarah was born 1885/ (is this starting to sound familiar??) The 1901 census above a non-starter then?
Jan

janet ,sarah ellen would be 11. i know i come from a line of er, well ,
but 11 is alittle young for having a baby xxx

Colette,

I know you are stuck with looking for births 1901/2/3 for Florence, but there is one in 1907 registration district Ashton which covers Stayleybridge.


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Ashton covers Stalybridge:

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Bardsley Andrew Ashton Ashton 8d 800
Holt George Allen Ashton 8d 800
Redfern Maria Ousey Ashton 8d 800
Tatterson Sarah Ellen Ashton 8d 800
Now need to lie in a darkened room.

Jan

Just to cause even more trouble.

1901 England Census
about Florence Holt
Name: Florence Holt
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George A
Mother's Name: Sarah E
Gender: Female
Where born: Stalybridge, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Stalybridge
Ecclesiastical parish: Old St George
Town: Stalybridge
County/Island: Lancashir

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub-registration district: Stalybridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 329
Household Members:
Name Age
George A Holt 27
Sarah E Holt 28
Florence Holt 5

my guess then she was hidden away for years then changed her name!
not really, thank you for trying ladies but i have to go to bed now. this is going to drive me round the bend and more some!!!

Well, I am at a loss. Have searched for any Holts married to Kerry - no luck at all. Curses!
Jan

Right...........so its Florence we are after then!! Have you thought of the possibility that Florence was not her birth first name, but as I call it her "living" name..........my mother was Eliz Alice, but all her life she referred to herself as Alice, as I am Eliz Ann, but never use the Eliz......just a thought.

Annx

Janet i know that west derby is not derby as i'm in derby myself xxxx

Ann you just made me laugh, i know that sarah ellen is the correct one and born 1885. and she is my great gran.

as to if it is one of the many many holts - i believe so as the whole family moved from hayfield to stalybridge then derby with the father dying between 2 census. i think there was alot of shenanigans going off in them days xxx the plot thickens............

Janet,

Just read your question regarding sarah Ellens birthdate, which I had not noticed.......the Sarah Ellen on the 1901 census in Cheshire is birthdate 1885.........and born Hayfield.

Ann

Colette - West Deby is not Derby, if this is the record you are looking at - very deceptive, it is actually Liverpool!
Jan

ann i have sarah ellen sorted and pinned down but cannot find a single thing on florence xx

Colette,

Dont want to make you more downhearted, but the birth cert names does not mean they were "married".......what is written on the birth cert is only what the people concerned actually tell the registrar

My grandfather married three times and told quite significant porky pies on all three!

Ann

This is a real puzzler isn't it? At the risk of giving you a nervous breakdown, just tell us how you know Sarah Ellen's birth year please?
All these questions aren't meant as criticisms, it's just that we have all been led up the wrong path by incorrect info from families and want to make sure you don't end up doing the same.
Jan

Colette,

There is nothing jumping out at me regarding finding Florence on any of the later census, however there is a Sarah Ellen Holt on the 1901 in Cheshire with her family all born Hayfield. Could this perhaps be her mother?

Ann

how on earth have you got the 1911 one???????????? wow that may say alot but the only thing i do know that she was in derby xx

LOL janet i am not fed up with you at all, i'm so frustrated at going round and round in circles. On raymonds birth cert it says florence kerry formerly holt which says they got married, and raymond was born in 1924 and albert kerry is the father. I have the census's printed off as far as poss but there is no actual record of florences existance ( unless i buy another 300 credits lol to trawl every quarter of each year) xx

I know you are fed up with me Colette, but I agree with you - there really is no marriage to be found as far as I can see, either on freebmd or ancestry, if you are certain she was born 1900 or so. I can see Ann is asking the same question as me about her birth year.
Please, please tell us how you know it!!!
Jan