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Myles Jordan..Grandfather 3 x removed..Born Mayo,Ireland..1838 aprox.. Found his Marriage to Ellen Doherty Kiltimagh...1866..But can not find Birthday.....

You're a sweet woman Dea.x....We don't realise how lucky we are untill we hear how others have lived and suffered.

JohnW.x.

OOOerr!! - I just feel the need to say - 'Aren't we just SO lucky !!! ??

I am potentionally 'on death's door' every other week but I haven't suffered like these people !!

Makes you think !

Dea Xxx

Makes sense Jonesey...The first record of them was Elect Rolls of 1925..23 and 20....They would be old enough to live on there own at that time.

Thank you for the help.x

Possible scenario:

Michael visits brother and doesn't make it home. Mary Ann dies in 1907, kids end up in workhouse and then move to Birmingham possibly to some relations of their mothers.

Name: Mary Ann Jordan
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 38
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 389

That's my theory up the shute!!

I found my father living in Bham with his sister Elizabeth, He then married Lola,and Liz moved to Bromsgrove and dissapeared.

Perhaps I should wait untill my fathers Birth Cert: arrives...I ordered it a week ago.

I think that Michael did do the honourable thing:

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
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EDWARDS Frederick Birmingham 6d 321
>>HEELEY Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 321
>>Jordan Michael Birmingham 6d 321
Murphy Catherine Birmingham 6d 321

1901:
Name: Michael Jordan
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Labourer at Gas works

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Jordan 37
Mary A Jordan 32 born Birmingham
Catharine Jordan 5

Sounds promising Jonesey, Leaving from Liverpool would make him a Northerner, as opposed to a Southerner, who would sail from Southampton...Perhaps he was living "over the brush' with Mary ann Heeley,and they never got round to marriage!.

There wasn't a Mary Heeley in that 1911 Workhouse list was there?
My thinking!...Michael goes to visit his brother John in the States..likes it better there,so stays on,and Mary Heeley ends up in workhouse with John and Elizabeth,and the other daghter who is 15 goes into a Nunnery!

What a sad story.

No obvious joy on the 1911 Canadian census or the 1910 US census but this might prove interesting:

Name: Michael Jordan
Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1904
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Ship Name: Lucania
Search Ship Database: View the Lucania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 3
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_452
Page Number: 93

Married
Occupation Gas Stoker
Going to visit his brother John Jordan who was living at 731 Washington ??, New York. The brother paid for Michael's passage

We also have the "Baggies"...West Bromwich.!...A Premier team next season!

Mary Jordan of Greater Manchester sounds promising Dea!.But it says she was 11 years old!.....Can't understand where they went all of a sudden after 1901!.

Thanks again Teacher.x

Sorry Dea,

I'm sure that John William who was born in Birmingham won't need a translator for that one. (lol)

P.S. Not having much luck with his grandad Michael Jordan. Like yourself I cannot spot a death. I have checked the Irish 1911 census in case he might have gone back home but I can't spot him on that so I'm off to check the the Canadian 1911 in case he went there.

Jonesey,

I wish you would stick to the Mandarin script - I can translate that much easier.

I had to ask my husband on this one and now know 'blues' is Birmingham!

OOOh - you learn something more every day don't you ?

Dea Xxx

An outside possibility for Mary Ann:

Name: Mary Jordan
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 11
District: Leigh
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 176

P.S. Villa have just beaten Blues 1:0

Sorry - Can't find any deaths which fit !!

Dea x

The phone lines here are too busy to download records again!

Could someone please check for the deaths of the two people listed below in Manchester, Between 1902 and 1911

Michael Jordan,..D of B..1864
Mary Ann Jordan..D of B..1896.

Thanking you. John J.

Hey Jonesey..Nice to get your imput again.

I remember it well!...We had to go to the British Embassy in London to get a Visa stamp on our passports to attend the Villa away games to West Brom.!!!!!!...I understand that local farmers are allowed to graze their cattle on the pitch during the week, to keep the grass short!...lol!

West Brom the most promoted team in English Football...Can't dissagree with the facts!

Up and down ,just like the proverbial YOYO!....and relegated faster than a FIDDLERS ELBOW..!!!.........As the old CB Radio enthusiasts used to say Jonesey "Come back!!"

John W.x.

Sorry Jonesey - I am not 'into' football.

The closest I can get is when my litte 18 month old grandson asks for his Futbowl!!, kicks it and then shouts Gowl !!!

That does it for me!!

Dea x

"West Brom is North B'ham,and that this is whom I'm looking for.!!!!!...Their football team is not much to shout about!!!"

The cheek of it. (lol)

West Bromwich is north of Birmingham but not North Birmingham. Up until a few years ago buses travelling between West Bromwich and Birmingham, or visa versa, had to stop at the boundary (Outside the Hawthorns, West Bromwich Albion's ground). Passengers could only pay the fare to the boundary and if they wished to continue their journey they then had to pay again to do so.

West Bromwich Albion are the most promoted team in the English football league. They have been promoted 4 times in the past 8 years. (We try not to mention the fact that they have been relegated 3 times in the same period (lol).)

Get working on it then !!! and come back to us when you need more !!!

Dea Xxx

P.S. - I HATE those 'energy savers' !!

I just bought 100 x 100 watt light bulbs - sheer joy !! - I can now see again!!

Dea x

The light bulbs are all energy savers,and as such, when the supply is busy, the lights dim!!...Candlelight!!!