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Wendy
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15 Nov 2010 11:45 |
Hello please can you help? I have John pearson born c1862 in York on the 1911 census.He is with wife Annie Elizabeth (1871) Burnham,Bucks and children William John (1895),Charles Alfred (1897),Helen Annie (1898) and Lilian Edith (1900) all born in South Norwood. I have searched for John on all other census in vain.I can't even find him or the children on the 1901 census. Regards Wendy
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Jonesey
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15 Nov 2010 12:07 |
Still working on the census records but here are the childrens birth registrations, All in the Croydon registration district.
Births Jun 1900 (>99%) Pearson Lilian Edith Croydon 2a 272
Births Jun 1898 (>99%) PEARSON Helen Annie Croydon 2a 247
Births Dec 1896 (>99%) Pearson Charles Alfred Croydon 2a 209
Births Mar 1895 (>99%) Pearson William John Croydon 2a 288
??? Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
Munday Annie Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 924 PEARSON John St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 924
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Kucinta
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15 Nov 2010 12:09 |
Not sure if same family because of different location to Croydon? However family are living in Battersea area in 1911:
Name: Alice Maud Pearson Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901 Baptism Date: 17 Nov 1901 Father's name: John Pearson Mother's name: Annie Elizabeth Pearson Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Peter Borough: Wandsworth
Address 133 Speke Road. Father a labourer. Born Oct 29th
Name: Prudence Elizabeth Pearson Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1899 Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1899 Father's name: John Pearson Mother's name: Annie Elizabeth Pearson Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Peter Borough: Wandsworth Father a labourer. Born Aug 29th. Address 122 Grant road.
Edit: Not the right family. Prudence living in battersea as below in 1911:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PEARSON, John Head Married M 35 1876 Fitters Mate Battersea VIEW PEARSON, Annie Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1879 Petworthe Sussex VIEW >>PEARSON, Prudence Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1899 Battersea VIEW >>PEARSON, Alice Maude Daughter F 10 1901 Battersea VIEW PEARSON, Edith Lidya May Daughter F 7 1904 Battersea VIEW PEARSON, Grace Olive Daughter F 2 1909 Battersea VIEW GODINER, William Henry Adopted Son Single M 20 1891 Brake Examin Battersea VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 2213 Reference: RG14PN2213 RG78PN75 RD26 SD2 ED25 SN18 Registration District: Wandsworth Sub District: North West Battersea Enumeration District: 25 Parish: Battersea Address: 55 Plough Road Battersea
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Jonesey
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15 Nov 2010 12:23 |
1911 just for reference:
PEARSON, John Head Married M 49 1862 Electrical Fitter Walmgate Yark Yarkshire VIEW PEARSON, Annie Elizabeth Wife Married 20 years F 40 1871 Burnham Bushes Bucks VIEW PEARSON, William John Son Single M 16 1895 Porter Railway South Narwood Surrey VIEW PEARSON, Charles Alfred Son M 14 1897 Waiter Hotel South Narwood Surrey VIEW PEARSON, Helen Annie Daughter F 13 1898 School South Narwood Surrey VIEW PEARSON, Lilian Edith Daughter F 11 1900 School South Narwood Surrey VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 2210 Reference: RG14PN2210 RG78PN75 RD26 SD2 ED22 SN126 Registration District: Wandsworth Sub District: North West Battersea Enumeration District: 22 Parish: Battersea Address: 138 Ingrave Street Battersea S W County: London
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Kucinta
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15 Nov 2010 12:39 |
According to census 1911 there was a fifth child, stll living.
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Jonesey
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15 Nov 2010 12:43 |
Not having any joy at all regarding John Pearson on earlier census records I'm afraid.
This could be the person who became his wife in 1891 although her birth year out a bit on the census.
Name: Annie Munday Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
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View image Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ernest F Silvester 42 Ames G Silvester 32 Ernest V Silvester 3 Gwondeter Silvester 12 Annie Munday 24 Minnie Poage 24 Lily Prentice 18
Births Mar 1870 (>99%) MUNDAY Annie Elizabeth Eton 3a 486
I can only suggest taking a gamble and buying a copy of the marriage certificate in the hope that it may provide some clues as to John Pearson's background.
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Kucinta
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15 Nov 2010 12:45 |
Doesn't help having two John Pearsons both living in Battersea, in census 1911 and both with a wife called Annie Elizabeth!
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Wendy
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15 Nov 2010 13:10 |
Hello every one thanks for all your hard work .I will do as you say Jonesy and order a certificate. Wendy
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Wendy
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15 Nov 2010 13:13 |
I agree Kucinta that two same couples make it difficult but the 1911 says my two have been married for 20 years so Annie Elizabeth Munday seems the best bet fingers crossed. Wendy
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 13:30 |
They just do not seem to exist under that name before 1911!!!!!........... dratt!!!
BUT their births were registered as Pearson!
I really do not understand this !
That cert is your only hope Wendy!
Do let us know when you get it.
Dea x
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Wendy
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15 Nov 2010 13:56 |
Hi Dea I have worked through the 1901 census putting in children's christian names with dates and place of birth in case I had missed a weird misspelling of Pearson but that brought no joy. I have bitten the bullet and ordered the marriage certificate of John Pearson to Annie Elizabeth Munday.I will let you know when I have it. Wendy
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 13:59 |
It doesn't really help any but if you look again at the image from 1911, you will see that John was actually born c 1868, NOT 1862 !!
He is 43 (not 49) - compare the 3 in Helen's age and the 3 in the address - they are very strange but they are 3's
Dea x
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 14:59 |
I think this is him on 1881??
1881 England Census about John Wood Pearson Name: John Wood Pearson Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Son Father's name: Charles Pearson Mother's name: Hannah Pearson Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: York St Cuthbert County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 25 Redeness St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: York Sub-registration district: Walmgate ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Pearson 42 Gen Labr. b Sherrif Hutton, Yorks. Hannah Pearson 38 b Wetherny, Yorks. John Wood Pearson 14 all children born York ! Jane Pearson 12 Robert Pearson 7 William Pearson 5 Charlotte Pearson 3 Charles Pearson 2 Emily Pearson 3 months at 25 Redeness St ???
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4723; Folio: 54; Page: 20; GSU roll: 1342142.
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1871 England Census about Charles Pearson Name: Charles Pearson Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Pearson Gender: Male Where born: Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: York Sub-registration district: Walmgate ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 130 Household Members: Name Age Charles Pearson 30 Labr. Hannah Pearson 28 John Wood Pearson 4 Jane Pearson 2 Ellen Pearson 1 Month Henry Gray 27 at 42 Redeness St.
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4750; Folio: 54; Page: 25; GSU roll: 847326.
Dea x
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 15:00 |
1891 England Census about Charles Pearson Name: Charles Pearson Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts Town: York County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 42 Redeness St.
Registration district: York Sub-registration district: Walmgate ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Pearson 52 wid. Jane Pearson 22 Robert Pearson 17 William Pearson 15 Emily Pearson 10
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3892; Folio 41; Page 27; GSU roll: 6099002.
No sign of John yet on 1891.
Dea x
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 16:28 |
nudge for help to find John on 1891 please.
Dea x
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 17:05 |
Are you there Jonesey ??
Dea x
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JaneyCanuck
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15 Nov 2010 17:59 |
Dea has bellowed for me to come rub brain cells here. ;)
I think I'd prefer to wait for the marriage certificate ...
I'd advise getting one of the children's birth certificates at the same time, to be certain of who mother Annie was.
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 18:02 |
Thank you Janey !!
I am waiting for the marriage cert also but thought your 'brain cells' might just find something !!
Many thanks for looking.
Will see you later when the cert comes in !!
Dea Xxx
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JaneyCanuck
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15 Nov 2010 18:11 |
I've done the same as Jonesey -- even searching 1901 by year and place of birth without names, for the children -- to no avail. Considered temporary emigration -- it's why my gr-grparents are missing from the 1891, but back in West Ham by 1901, but fortunately we knew about that. But found no passenger records at FMP that matched at all.
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Dea
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15 Nov 2010 18:13 |
Me too Janey - it IS a 'tricky one' !!
Thank you for looking,
Dea Xxx
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