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I'm trying to find my G.G.Grandmother Alice Craig (nee Howard's birth certificate).
Marriage Certificate date 1876 to Walter Craig.
Census 1881 shows Alice born 1857 middx, living Walter and another Craig family, there is a Mother In-Law Jane Hardcastle but I'm not sure who's mother she belongs to.
Census 1891 shows Alice born 1857.
Census 1901 shows Alice born 1857.
Can anyone help.

For ref - Marriage

Name: Alice Howard
Address: 113 Wellington Row
Spouse Name: Walter Craig occ Shoemaker
Address: 1 Gascoyne Place
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Jul 1876
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Spouse Father Name: William Craig occ Shoemaker
Father's Name: Thomas Howard occ Bootmaker

Pre 1875 her birth may not have been registered

Yes the marriage is the one I have, father Thomas Howard a bootmaker.

If Alice was not registered does that mean you would not be able to carry on down that family line.

No ! If you can find who her parents were and then get their marriage then you will have their fathers names so work backwords

We can still try Christine!

Meanwhile, is this the family in 1881 - I don't see a mother-in-law?

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

CRAIG, Walter Head Married M 24 1857 Boot Laster Middlesex
CRAIG, Alice Wife Married F 24 1857 Middlesex
CRAIG, Alice Ada Daughter Single F 4 1877 Middlesex
CRAIG, Walter Henry Son Single M 1 1880 Middlesex

Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Church

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:

Address: 18, Mansford St, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex

Which site did you get the 1881 from?

In the 1881 census I think Jane Hardcastle is the mother in law to the family George H Craig and Mary Ann the family living next door to Walter & Alice

sounds like her Mum may have been Jane who married a Hardcastle

Christine,

The 1881 census that states mother in law, whom is the head of the family?

The MiL status would be in reflection to that person and that person alone... all census relationships are with regards to the head of the household (male or female)

I shall have a look now and see if anything jumps out at me .


Tracey x

Agree 100% with Londonbelle!

yes, when I looked further down that list it showed
George H Craig 26
Mary Ann 25
Jane 5
Esther 3
Jane Hardcastle 48 (mother in law)

O.. so George Craig in 1881 lives next door. my mistake, thanks for that.

The 1911 is a bit more specific about her place of birth, but now says 1859 birth year:

CRAIG, Walter Head Married M 52 1859 Boot Laster Middlesex Bethnal Green London
CRAIG, Alice Wife Married 31 years F 52 1859 Middlesex Bethnal Green London

Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Bethnal Green North East
Enumeration District: 32 Parish: Bethnal Green

Address: 7 Vyner St Bethnal Green County: London

Added: The original image says 36 years married but when it's been scored through it's been mistranscribed as 31 years. Seven children born five lived.

Baptism of another child.

Name: George Craig
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 12 Jan 1882
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1882
Father's Name: Walter Craig
Mother's Name: Alice Craig
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address is the same as the 1881 census.

Tracey x

I must be doing something wrong, just looked up birth - for the years 1857 and 1859 bethnal green and just london and came up with nothing.

Christine, which site are you searching on?

I found this on Ancestry:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Alice Howard
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 252

and it's also on FreeBMD - http://www.freebmd.org.uk:

Births Sep 1857
Howard Alice Bethnal Gn 1c 252

I just looked on Genes Reunited but I have also looked on Ancestry and found a several births for a Alice Howard, some of the dates varied from 1855 to 1857 also diff areas in london middx.

Do you know when she died?

Depending when it was registered, the death record sometimes gives full date of birth.

PS - make a note of FreeBMD if you're not already using it.

No I do not know when she died, I've found the Alice Howard 1857 B/G, they is also a Shoreditch one,
sorry a little thick here, what do you mean by using FreeBMD.