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Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 0 Send Message	Helen	Report	10 Apr 2007 14:51
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 0 Send Message	I am looking for info on the ancestors of my 3x great grandfather, Phillip Gunter b.1776 at Little Birch, Herefordshire. His wife was Mary nee Tylor b.1779 at Little Birch. They married on 24th April 1800. He was a journeyman/stonemason. The Parish records for Little/Much Birch do not show his baptism. Their youngest son, William, a stonemason, was a Roman Catholic but i do not know if his parents were. Thank you.
Member Since: August 2008 Posts: 9 Send Message	Vivian	Report	10 Aug 2008 19:32
Member Since: August 2008 Posts: 9 Send Message	I am looking for my Great Grand father who had son Willian Gunter born in 1891 he was 10 years old in 1901 his mother Alice Gunter was a Widow in 1901
Member Since: August 2008 Posts: 9 Send Message	Vivian	Report	23 Aug 2008 19:15
Member Since: August 2008 Posts: 9 Send Message	Hi I am also researching my family tree My grandfather was a william Gunter from Hereford but he worked for thins tile works Hereford later in his working life,he was born at Lugg bridge Hereford
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	6 Dec 2014 19:58
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Hello, Can anyone help me Please. I am looking for my Great Grandfather, Edward Thomas Gunter &/or his wife Florence (I have no maiden name yet) and they had a son Cyril in 1907. In Newport, Monmouthshire. Cyril, married Helena Jewell in 1930, and they subsequently had two boys Arthur and Douglas. ( my Dad. ) I have Helena & Cyril's original wedding certificate, and both of their original birth certificates, but I can't find an Edward Thomas Gunter, in or around Newport who married a Florence. Edward apparently died young, when Cyril was about 14,(so possibly around 1920>21) and then Florence apparently remarried, twice, and apparently both times to Men with the surname Thomas....
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 49,504 Send Message	Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it	Report	6 Dec 2014 20:29
	His death should be on FreeBMD Have you located them on the 1911 census
	Researching: Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	6 Dec 2014 20:57
	Not see Cyril on the 1911 census. Perhaps you need to buy a copy of his birth certificate to verify his father's name and get his mother's maiden surname. Name: Cyril Henry Gunter Registration Year: 1907 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Newport Inferred County: Monmouthshire Volume: 11a Page: 270 EDIT Sorry you have his birth certificate. So his parents are Edward Thomas Gunter and Florence Gunter maiden surname Edwards?
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Member Since: May 2004 Posts: 2,262 Send Message	Gritty	Report	6 Dec 2014 22:44
Member Since: May 2004 Posts: 2,262 Send Message	Hi Ian, What was Edwards occupation on Cyril's marriage and birth cert. What address was on Cyril's birth cert? Quite a few possibles for marriages of Florence Gunter to Mr Thomas, but need the info from Cyril's birth cert
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	jansmith	Report	6 Dec 2014 22:59
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	you say you have Cyril's birth cert then that should give you his mothers maiden name.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	6 Dec 2014 23:26
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	A possibility for Florence's second marriage First name(s) FLORENCE E Last name GUNTER Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1925 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ FLORENCE E GUNTER married EDWARD J THOMAS Spouse's last name THOMAS District NEWPORT (MONMOUTHSHIRE) Country Wales Volume 11A Page 575
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	7 Dec 2014 12:21
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Thank you that sounds like it could be correct, especially as i understand that Edward died when Cyril was about 14, so around 1920, i think. Many thanks. I have Cyril and Helena's wedding certificate, from 1930. On that Cyril is described as a baker, Edwards Thomas Gunter's occupation is harder to read but i think it says 'Packer' and 'Fredrick J. Jewels's occupation seems to read 'Painter'. Dad told me he thought that Fred worked at Newport Docks, so perhaps that implies Ship painter, rather than anything more creative... The certificates of registration of birth I have, for Cyril & Helen, don't say anything about their parents, it just shows the names, dates & district that the births were registered; Cyril Henry Gunter, 14/9/1907, reg. entry. no. 423, book 13, witness, W.M.Roland, district Newport, sub-district, Rogerstown. Helena Jewell. 1/10/1907, reg entry. no. 124, book 170, witness, William Bates, district, Newport, sub-district, Newport. Is there a way i can post the certificates up for you to see? Many thanks for all of your help. Ian
Member Since: May 2004 Posts: 2,262 Send Message	Gritty	Report	7 Dec 2014 12:49
Member Since: May 2004 Posts: 2,262 Send Message	Hi Ian, the birth registration certificates you have for Cyril and Helena are not their full birth certificates. You can order Cyril's full birth certificate on-line from this site: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Dec 1907 (>99%) GUNTER Cyril Henry Newport M 11a 270 Using the Vol & page number from above, the certificate will cost 9.25 pounds.
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	7 Dec 2014 13:26
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Thank you all for your comments / suggestions. I will dig on... Ian Gunter
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 6,427 Send Message	°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°	Report	8 Dec 2014 18:10
	I think I've got to the bottom of this Cyril's father was NOT Edward Thomas Gunter, no man of this name ever existed. I suspect that when Cyril married he was asked his father's name and gave his step father's as Edward THOMAS which was recorded by the vicar as Edward Thomas GUNTER. Cyril's father is far more likely to be John Arthur GUNTER 1880-1922 Certainly John Arthur's death matches up with what you've been told and he can be found on the 1911 census living with his wife Florrie who is probably Florence Ellen PALMER. The 1911 census shows John and Florrie as having one child who is not sleeping at the house that night. Only Cyril's birth cert will prove my theory or perhaps I've opened a whole new can of worms and Edward THOMAS is the biological father of Cyril!
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	8 Dec 2014 18:46
	Following on from Clare's theory. This marriage shows that Florence had the middle name Ellen so that will tie in with the marriage posted by Greyghost. Name: John Arthur Gunter Registration Year: 1904 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Newport Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Monmouthshire Volume: 11a Page: 413 Records on Page: Name John Arthur Gunter Rosina Meredith Florence Ellen Palmer Frederick James Smith
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Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	8 Dec 2014 20:09
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Good grief ! ---- theory thats a fascinating Claire.... I've just relayed it to my Dad & he jumped in to life saying "Palmer, Palmer oh yes, thats ringing some bells! ~ i don't know why but that is ringing bells." Your theory about the vicar makes total sense especially as Cyril's dad had been dead for 8>10 years before he got married, & he had been living with his step-father for a fair while. I was always perplexed by the coincidence of so many 'Thomas's' in the mix.... & this would explain it..... There is another thing that supports your idea. Cyril's marriage certificate lists Edward Thomas Gunter, as being a 'Packer.' But Dad said that he was sure that Cyril had to leave school to take over from his Dad in the bakery that they owned. He and his Mom Florence then ran the bakery. He said that she continued to run it even when she re-married. I have a lovely old photo of their old delivery van, with 'F. Thomas' Confectioner, painted on the side. (I'll scan and post that if i can.) Dad couldn't understand why Cyril's his father 'Edward/ or rather John' as a baker, ~ not a packer. Dad thinks that Edward Thomas worked in Newport Docks, so the description of Packer would make sense if Cyril was describing Edward Thomas (2nd husband.) And, one other possibly supporting detail, is that Cyril, named his Eldest son Arthur, Fredrick (Fred being Helena's dad's name) Gunter. If we find that John had a brother or relatives called Douglas or James --- that will add extra weight - As that was what Cyril & Helena called mayDad. Fascinating..... Many, many thanks for the theory... I'll follow the lead as soon as I can... & many thanks Rootgatherer, for the John Arthur Gunter's detail. I will start along that line. I'll post what I find...... & update my tree accordingly..... I have ordered a full copy of Cyril's full birth certificate, but thats not due for despatch for 15 days.... I will now be on tenterhooks until then:) This is fun isn't it.....
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	8 Dec 2014 20:37
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	I have been following this thread with interest and think you may have cracked it Claire. I do hope so. Here's John Arthur working for a Steel Plate Company in Pontymister. As Claire has already mentioned, they had 1 child, not at home. 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 18 Malvern Place Risca Mon, Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Arthur Gunter Head Married Male 29 1882 Risca Mon Stockbroker Transcription Florrie Gunter Wife Married Female 28 1883 Risca Mon - Transcription Emma Palmer Relative Widow Female 65 1846 Risca Mon - Not with his family in 1901. 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Shaftesbury Terrace, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jacob Gunter Head Married Male 51 1850 Labourer In Foundry Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ann Gunter Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Louisa Hannah Gunter Daughter Single Female 28 1873 - Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Wm Edward Gunter Son Single Male 26 1875 Tongser In Steel Wks Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Elizth Jane Gunter Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Dressmaker Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ivor Thomas Gunter Son Single Male 18 1883 Plate Layer Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Osman Llewellyn Gunter Son Single Male 15 1886 Catcher In Cold Rolls Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ethel Sarah Gunter Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Iscila May Gunter Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Foundry, Bettws, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jacob Gunter Head Married Male 40 1851 Labourer Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ann Gunter Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Frank Gunter Son Single Male 21 1870 Tinman Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Louisa Gunter Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Dressmaker Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William E Gunter Son - Male 16 1875 Tin Worker Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Rosa A Gunter Daughter - Female 14 1877 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Elizabeth Gunter Daughter - Female 12 1879 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription >>Arthur Gunter Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ivor T Gunter Son - Male 8 1883 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Osmon Gunter Son - Male 5 1886 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ethel Gunter Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Tap Room Pontymister, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jacob Gunter Head Married Male 31 1850 Hammerman Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Ann Gunter Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Louisa H Gunter Daughter Single Female 8 1873 - Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William E Gunter Son Single Male 6 1875 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Rosa A Gunter Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Elizabeth J Gunter Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription John A Gunter Son Single Male 0 1881 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Francis W Hemmings Stepson Single Male 12 1869 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	8 Dec 2014 20:40
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Oh and one more thing.... sorry Claire in Wales ... re your last line... about cans of worms. I'm absolutely positive that, 'that sort of thing, never, never happens in the 'Land of MY fathers.... :-)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	jansmith	Report	8 Dec 2014 20:58
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	Shame we haven't yet found Cyril in 1911. Wonder where he was ? will info Name:John Arthur Gunter Probate Date:7 Jun 1922 Death Date:2 May 1922 Death Place:Monmouthshire, Wales Registry:Llandaff 25 Commercial street Pontymister Risca Probate to Florence Ellen Gunter widow £368 16s 7d
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	8 Dec 2014 21:09
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	As an aside, here is Helena's family. You said her dad was a painter? He did seem to have a few jobs. 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 36 Duckpool Road, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Fred James Jewell Head Married Male 33 1878 Monmouth Newport Milk Vendor Transcription Alice Jewell Wife Married Female 32 1879 Monmouth Caerwent - Transcription Evelyn Jewell Daughter - Female 9 1902 Monmouth Newport School Transcription Fred Godfrey Jewell Son - Male 5 1906 Monmouth Newport - Transcription >>Helena Jewell Daughter - Female 3 1908 Monmouth Newport - Transcription Tom Andrew Jewell Son - Male 0 1911 Monmouth Newport 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 60, Williams Street, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Fred J Jewell Head Married Male 23 1878 Hairdresser Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Alice Jewell Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Llanvaches, Monmouthshire, Wales 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 10, South Market Street, St Woollos, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Jewell Head Married Male 44 1837 Sailmaker Cowley, Devon, England Transcription Francis Ann Jewell Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Middlesex, England Transcription Thomas Cleiton Jewell Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William S Jewell Son Single Male 12 1869 Errand Boy Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Charles Edgar Jewell Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Harry Jewell Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription >>Fred James Jewell Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Eliza Ann Jewell Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dolphin Street, St Woollos, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Jewell Head - Male 33 1838 - Devon, England sailmaker Frances Ann Jewell Wife - Female 27 1844 - Middlesex, England Transcription Thomas C Jewell Son - Male 4 1867 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Fanny Ann Jewell Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William J Jewell Son - Male 2 1869 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Frances Sanbrooke Mother-In-Law - Female 52 1819 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William King Boarder - Male 27 1844 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	8 Dec 2014 21:20
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Florence's family. 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Tydu Road, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Emma Palmer Head Widow Female 55 1846 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Florence Ellen Palmer Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Dress Maker Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Main Road, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Palmer Head Married Male 48 1843 Coal Miner Bristol, Somerset, England Transcription Emma Palmer Wife Married Female 45 1846 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Emily Palmer Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Tin Plate Cleaner Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Lydia Palmer Daughter Single Female 15 1876 General Servant Domestic Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Margaret A Palmer Daughter - Female 12 1879 General Servant Domestic Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Florence E Palmer Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Palmer Head Married Male 37 1844 Coal Miner - WINTERBOURNE FRENCH HAY Emma Palmer Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription John Cross Stepson Single Male 17 1864 Coal Miner Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Emily Palmer Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar LLWYNPIA Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Lydia Palmer Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - LLWYNPIA Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Margaret A Palmer Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Sarah A Brown Servant Single Female 18 1863 Domestic Serv Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Near Church Mrs Rossers House, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Palmer Head - Male 29 1842 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription Emma Palmer Wife - Female 25 1846 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription John Palmer Son - Male 5 1866 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Harry H Palmer Son - Male 0 1871 - Monmouthshire, Wales 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Wedlakes Court, 6, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Palmer Head Married Male 50 1801 Mason Plymouth, Devon, England Transcription Elizabeth Palmer Wife - Female 45 1806 - Watchet, Somerset, England Transcription Emma Palmer Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Transcription Thomas Palmer Step Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Transcription James Palmer Step Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Laborer Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

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