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Have PM'd this info to Kelly. Putting this up here as well to keep it all together.
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Hi Kelly,
So Walters wife, is Winifred Jull. You said that the marriage cert that you received for Walter & Winifred was wrong. What was wrong about the details in the cert?

I've look for her birth reg & only found 3 entries for Jull with Winifred in the 1st names:

Name: Winifred Annie Jull
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Eastry
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 980

Name: Marjory Winifred Jull
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Luton
County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 397

Name: Winifred M Jull
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wood
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1929
Registration district: Milton
Registration county: Surrey,Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1729

The 1st Winifred born 1893 died in 1911. And the 3rd on too young as she'd have been only 8yrs old when Georgina was born.
This only leaves Marjory Winifred Jull as a possible candidate.

Also with there only being these 3 Winifred Julls, I'd be very surprised (not impossible though), if two of them both happened to marry Walter Kings.

Regards,
Steve.

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JANET AND HENRY KING
hope i have set this out properly

i received JANET'S birth certificate and the KINGS are up to it again, ?
JANET'S mother was winifred jull, fathers name walter w king, so he has dropped william which was his first name

they moved to bedfordshire in the war years where janet and her brother HENRY were born, and returned to london after,

WALTER or WILLIAM KING
was in the merchant navy which was confirmed on janet's birth cert he was a coal porter on board ship.

i am now trying to find there marriage, i can only think that he used walter and not william ?

this king family is a nightmare ?

thanks all
kelly

Hi Kelly,
Just another thought.

As the marriage cert you received is not the correct one. I now think that the birth info I provided for Walter E King 1935. Is a son of that marriage & not of the family you are looking for.
Reason being is that place of both birth & marriage is Deptford, and the name of the man in the marriage cert is also Walter E King.

Regards,
Steve

Hi Kelly, sorry to see that the marriage cert was incorrect.

Have you been able to acquire any of the birth certs for their children?

This would confirm the mothers name. As if I recall correctly, there was some uncertainty as whether her 1st name was Irene or Winifred.

Regards,
Steve.

hi just to say the marriage choccy found for me is wrong, i received the marriage cert today, and nothing is right on it,
so i am still trying to find the right marriage for william or walter king in 1934 ish
any help appreciated

many thank
kelly

no i dont think that, if you were to check my spelling my goodness you would find some mistakes,
i will order that now, its the nearest i have been for a long time
thank you so very much
i will let you know,they are taking about a week

my regards
kelly

Kelly, I know you will think I am mad, but try this one. I know it doesn't say 'King', but surnames were often mis-transcribed.

I know you think he was born in 1893, but if he was born in late 1892 he would have been 8 on the 1901 census.

If you apply for the certificate and specify that the father's name must be Thomas and the mother's name must be Mary, the GRO will check and will not issue it if the parents' names are not right.

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Keen Walter Camberwell 1d 868

yes this is them, walter king 1893, died 30/0ctober 1953 in biggin hill, bromley, buried in cudham, kent

1901 England Census
Name: Walter King
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Divine
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 229
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas King 47
Mary A King 46
Walter King 8
Julia Crabb 45
Florence Crabb 20
Frederick Crabb 19
Edith Crabb 18
Thomas Crabb 16
Julia Crabb 13
John Crabb 12
Robert Crabb 8


Kelly, ignore the Crabb family. They live next door and should not have been included with the Kings!

Thomas is a general dealer.

Possible births for Irene & Winifred Jull

Name: Doris Irene M Jull
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Faversham
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1009

Name: Irene Jull
Mother's Maiden Surname: Ditchburn
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1917
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 441

But there is no Winifred Jull 1902 to 1921

Prior to this there is one. A bit too early. Shed be 20 years older than Willaim Walter.

Name: Winifred Annie Jull
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Eastry
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 980


Regards
Steve

this part of the dreded king family is now at a close, thank goodness,
i bet thats what your all saying to ha
my regards
kelly x

thank you so much

my kind regards to all
kelly x

Hello Kelly,

Here's the marriage

KING, Walter E. JAS 1934 Deptford 1d 2453
JULL, Winifred E JAS 1934 Deptford 1d 2453

hey you are all really so very kind, i really do try and search, but i get no where, i cannot understand how you get this info, as on here and on ancestry, find my past and about everey other site there is which is costing a fortune, yet never come up with anything,
i think its me
but thank you so very much
kelly

Hi Kelly,
I think this might be Henry.
The image says Juff. But I wonder if the original is a typo?

Name: Henry King
Mother's Maiden Surname: Juff
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1944
Registration district: Biggleswade
Registration county: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingtonshire, Northhamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 642


Regards,
Steve.

Hi Kelly these are the two other births for surname King, mothers maiden name Jull. search range 1930 to 1950. But no sign of Henry.

Name: Walter E King
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jull
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1935
Registration district: Deptford
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 936

Name: Janet E King
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jull
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1943
Registration district: Bedford
Registration county: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingtonshire, Northhamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 526


Regards,
Steve

hey thanks so much, yes this looks like her, well done, i have been trying for it seems ages
thank you
kelly x

You mentioned nanny Jull - I found this birth for Georgina (maybe)

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: Georgina S King
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jull
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1937
Registration district: Deptford
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 939

hi thank you but i dont think this them, every one knew him as wally, so his partner of 30 yrs vi (louisa) went to regester hs death the only walter of the dob they had was walter rochester king (so i dont know if this poor man was dead, but he was reg dead) it was only when i began to searc h our tree that i found his birth was william w king, 1913 in london, my gr father was always known as harry when infact his name was thomas henry, 1915 and i found rose as ross, i belive it has been changed now, but i dont know what to do about william's death cert, i am intouch with his daughter by vi, but she only knew her dad as wally
can you give me any advise please
kelly