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Michelle - what a star you are -you certainly do push down brick walls - I still cannot believe after over 2 years of searching for these two I found my beloved Grannies younger sister

My Granny had shown on 1911 she has "lost" 4 babies - and I also
had confirmation from the church in Ludgershall for two of them - and am waiting for opcdorset to confirm one more - so today wasca very very good day - thank you so very very much
My kindest regards

Irene Palmer - I married 2 different Palmers

hi irene

yor welcome
all the best

rache

Irene

You are very welcome, i am so happy for you. Its a great feeling to get a brick wall down on your tree.
I am looking for Frederick but not much luck yet. I have been working through the marriages and checking the 1901 for the wives but nothing matching your Fred yet.
If i do find anything i will post, but not looking good yet. Sorry.

Michelle

Rache - are both the printouts for Willis Lee for the 1911 census - or is the Naval printout diff - or has his father and his ship listed him ?

Rache - thanks so much - you never know with Michelle attempting to winkle out Frederick - I may have to ask for help again

Many thanks
Irene

Rache

Have you access to the 1911?

Just wondered about these two

HOUSEHOLD TURNER FREDERICK M 1879 32 Dorchester Dorsetshire
HOUSEHOLD TURNER FREDERICK JOHN M 1879 32 Dorchester Dorsetshire

Both listed as born in Dorset

2nd is interesting because he has the John middle name...and looking at births for 1878-9

Record Name Year of Registration Quarter of Registration County View Image Order Record
View Record

Frederick John Turner 1879 Jan-Feb-Mar Dorset
View Record

Frederick John Turner 1878 Apr-May-Jun Dorset

Only 2 showing, but i bet the 1911 is the wrong one!!but worth a look if you wouldnt mind. Wish i had access to 1911.
Hope you don't mind me asking

EDIT Looks like its the West Stafford one

First names FREDERICK JOHN
First names Algorithm Exact
Last names TURNER
Last names Algorithm Exact
Birth Year 1879
Birth Year +/- 3 years
Birth Place WEST STAFFORD


Michelle

hi michelle

will have a look
rache

hi irene

it looked like his father and the ship listed him

rache

here you go ladies

Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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TURNER, Frederick Head Married
9 years M 32 1879 Carter Dorset Long Breddy VIEW
TURNER, Rosalie Ellen Wife Married
9 years F 37 1874 Dorset Pilson VIEW
TURNER, Frederick Alfred Son M 6 1905 Dorset Dorchester VIEW
TURNER, Hilda Lily Daughter F 5 1906 Dorset Dorchester VIEW
TURNER, Dora Muriel Daughter F 2 1909 Dorset Dorchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12385 Reference:
RG14PN12385 RG78PN705 RD264 SD1 ED8 SN192

Registration District:
Dorchester Sub District:
Dorchester Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Dorchester St Peter

Address:
3 the Grove Dorchester Dorset County:
Dorsetshire

heres the second
Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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GARLAND, William Head Married M 67 1844 Farm Labourer Tadnoll Winfrith Newburgh Dorset VIEW
GARLAND, Eliza Rebecca Wife Married
39 years F 63 1848 East Kingston Winfrith Dorset Newburgh VIEW
GARLAND, Elizabeth Sarah Daughter Single F 31 1880 Monte Video Crickett Bromley VIEW
GARLAND, Fred Son Single M 29 1882 Carter On Farm Buckland Ripero Dorset VIEW
TURNER, Frederick John Visitor Single M 32 1879 Farm General Labourer West Stafford Dorset VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12405 Reference:
RG14PN12405 RG78PN707 RD264 SD3 ED8 SN14

Registration District:
Dorchester Sub District:
Maiden Newton Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Long Bredy

Address:
Kingston Longbredy County:
Dorsetshire

i will see if theres any more
rache

thats the only 2 on here

rache

Thanks Rache

You are good to do that thanks :) Don't look like him do they?

Long Bredy one is this one i believe

1881 England Census
about Frederick Turner
Name: Frederick Turner
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary J.
Gender: Male
Where born: Long Bredy, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Longbredy
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address: 6
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Maiden Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Turner 44
Mary J. Turner 34
George W. Turner 14
Alfred Turner 12
Priscilla Turner 11
Frederick Turner 2
Diana Samways 46
Rosile B. Samways 7
William Steele 29
William Warren 62

West Stafford one is this one i think

1881 England Census
about Frederick J. Turner
Name: Frederick J. Turner
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth W.
Gender: Male
Where born: West Stafford, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Portisham
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address: Shilvinghampton
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Abbotsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Turner 30
Elizabeth W. Turner 27
Walter W. Turner 5
Frederick J. Turner 2
Mary J. Turner

Oooh where is Frederick!

Michelle

Rache and Michelle

I have tracked those two right back to parish records to double double check - they are not my Frederick -
as we now know Ada Jane husband was in Navy - is it possible Frederick was too - because how did a girl from a tiny Dorset village in the late 1890s meet in a man Titchfield
In 1891 they were living at West Holme , East Stoke -
All of the Turners were ag lab and just moved around 4 or 5 Dorset villages for just under 260 years ( as indeed my grandfather John Robert Palmer who married Fred and Ada sister Rose did )

Any way Well done Michelle and Rache - I am over joyed at the fnding of Ada Jane

Thank you

Irene

Irene

Yes i think that is quite possible and would explain why we are unable to find him.
Men at sea are always tricky to find. This one has stumped me, i will keep looking but have tried all my usual tricks and nothing :(

Glad we managed to find one of the two though.

Michelle

This is the only one i can't write off because the birthplace is Not Known

1901 England Census
about Frederick Turner
Name: Frederick Turner
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: N

Civil parish: Worthing
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: East Preston
Sub-registration district: Worthing
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Green 62
Emma Green 55
William Evershed 52
Frederick Turner 23
Charles Tellick 36
John Lee 50
Charles Searle 18
Benjamin Bear 56
Sidney Standing 57
Ellen Smith 40
George Smith 43
Henry Brading 50
John Slaughter 40
David Dolman 23
Frederick Searle 47
Joseph Percy 30
Emma Percy 30
Kate Searle 8
Henry Searle 13

The census may have been completed by the Head who was a Public House Keeper and explains the not known birthplace.

This Frederick listed as a Groom

I will check this one out - Levi Turner ( his father ) died in mar qtr 1901 - and I have his stepmother living with her daughter and son in law - in 1901 - so maybe he got a live in job - is this a Public house then - does the census show an address and I will follow it up

We now know he was not with Ada Jane . - I know he was not with Rose or Evelyn - three of his grandparents were dead one surviving
Granny Jane Parsons borne 1820 Askerswell Dorset
In 1891 Granny Jane and sister Evelyn were living @Wynford Eagle - Maiden Newton Dorset

I had not looked to see where Jane Parsons was in 1901 - apart from that I have checked the whole family

Many thanks again Michelle

Irene

PS - I have to go to Granada tomorrow - and will not be able to log on until later Thurs night or Friday morning

Irene

No luck with Frederick, sorry.

Here is a Jane Parsons same birthplace. Is this your one? She is listed as Grandaughter!!! Census image says Grandmother and she is listed as a Widow

1901 England Census
about Jane Parsons
Name: Jane Parsons
Age: 82
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Askerswell, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Wynford Eagle
Ecclesiastical parish: Toller Fratrum St Basil and Wynford Eagle St Lawrence
Town: Wynford Eagle
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Maiden Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
George W Parsons 33
Emily Parsons 28
Florance Parsons 5
George Parsons 3
Ellen Parsons 1
Jane Parsons 82

Possible death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Jane Parsons
Name: Jane Parsons
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 88
District: Dorchester
County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 251 (click to see others on page)

Michelle

Yes that is Jane and her death. Jane was my gr gr grandmother - she was deaf - raised 9 children and when Ellen her daughter died raised Evelyn her granddaughter ( my Grannies sister ) and 2 other grandchildren - the other gr
gr grandmother raised 10 children and my Granny Rose, Ada Jane and Frederick

I can remember my Granny telling me how kind she was

Thank you so much for all your help -
And I thank you for all of them

Irene

What about this geezer


1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
about Fred J Turner
Name: Fred J Turner
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 26
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Hired Man
Immigration Year: 1906
Province: Saskatchewan
Sub-District Description: That Part of Saskatchewan District Bounded On The West By The Line Between Ranges 25 and 26, On The South By The Line Between Townships 44 and 45, On The East By The Line Between Ranges 20 and 21, and On The Northeast By The North Saskatchewan River, All
Sub-District: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Shephard 27
Fred J Turner 26


1911 Census of Canada
about F J Turner
Name: F J Turner
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 32
Birth Date: Feb 1879
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1903
Tribal: English
Province: Alberta
District: Red Deer
District Number: 5
Sub-District Number: 35
Place of Habitation: Castor
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
F J Turner 32
Lydia Turner 32
Dorothy Turner 2
Turner
20
Mary Fishan 18


1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
about Fred Turner
Name: Fred Turner
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 37
Est. Birth Year: 1879
Birthplace: England
Year of Immigration: 1904
Home in 1916: 03, Red Deer, Alberta
Address: Stocken Addition Castor
racial_or_tribal_origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Self
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Turner 37
Lydia Turner 38
Dorothy Turner 7
Fred Turner 5

Ah Ha

Right year of birth - will have a look at 1904 Emigration - does it show occupation -

It is just possible the Sussex groom man could be him - he is the only Fred Turner unaccounted for -

You have given me another ray of hope

Thanks

Renes

it me Timing out and double posting

And then there is this...Im no good at Canadian prov so have no idea if this is anywhere near Manitoba??


1901 Census of Canada
about Fred Turner
Name: Fred Turner
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Day & Month: 12 Oct
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Immigration Year: 1897
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: English
Occupation: Gardener
Province: Ontario
District: Algoma
District Number: 44
Sub-District: Port Arthur (Town/Ville)
Sub-District Number: L2-3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Ann Smith 73
James Kelly 30
Chas Langewish 46
John Grant 26
Arthur Haggar 37
Thomas Stritch 67
William Phelan 38
Joseph Vigars 39
Fred Turner 22
James Lowther 27
Ed Vicars 43