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Can anyone help i am looking for a marriage between Daniel James Eustace & his wife a Sarah ?? he was born 1848 in London Lambeth ? dont no her surname but they had kids John and also a Daniel James G Eustace dont know if they had any more kids please help many thanks Darren

Yes, Darren, here it is -- the duplicate thread I said in your thread on General that I hoped I would not see.

Please delete your thread on the other board.

One post per topic.

Well, I guess you did. I was just about to copy what I'd put in this thread to this one.



here is your old thread.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=954787

Are you sure you have your dates right? There didn't seem to be a Daniel Eustace to match the one born 1881 you inquired about previously, or this one.

If you search at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

(click red "Search" button)

for a marriage

Eustace
Daniel
(no surname)
Sarah

you'll find only one possible, in 1858, in Lambeth.

Have you identified the births of any children? If so, their birth cert will give you Sarah's surname.

1881


Name: Daniel Eustace
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 27 William St

Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 19

Daniel Eustace 33
Daniel Eustace
John Eustace 3
Sarah Eustace 33

Name: Sarah Eustace
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Daniel
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Name: John Eustace
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England

Name: Daniel Eustace
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England


Same couple is in 1901, with no children present.

Here you are! Got your PM.

My theory at the moment: Daniel and Sarah were not married.

There are no records of the births of the two children as Eustace. They may have been registered under her surname.

But that doesn't explain the absence of registration of Daniel James Eustace's birth itself ...

Nice little puzzle. Lemme play a bit here.

Some breadcrumbs.


This is the death of son Daniel born c1880:


Name: Daniel J Eustace
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 41
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 438

Daniel Jr. died in Barnet. Do you know, is this his marriage?

Marriages Jun 1916
Eustace Daniel J G Bayliss Barnet 3a 826


The bride has been mistranscribed:

Bayliss Julia Eustace Barnet 3a xx526xx

And here they are in 1891 -- all the details match, including that Daniel (mistranscribed Danie, but it says Daniel) is a bricklayer:


Name: Danie Huston
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Danie Huston 43
Daniel Huston 11
Elizabeth Huston 6
Sarah Huston 43

Aaargh, Darren -- no PMs please! (private messages)

Any questions or answers -- put 'em here in the thread.

Read down to the bottom of the thread, to where it says "Add reply", and in the box beside "Reply text", type what you want, then below the box, click "Submit".

Your last message said:

"yes i do have that if i got daniel death cert would that have his mothers surname on it "

Sadly, no. ;)

I'm still poking around ...

sorry ;(

No prob -- common misunderstanding here! Too much work for us helpers to keep stuff straight between PMs and threads, and info in PMs doesn't make it into the public domain. ;)

This could possibly be daughter Elizabeth in 1901 -- there is no other Elizabeth Eustace in 1891 who matches this one:

Name: Elizabeth Eustace
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey Road

Civil Parish: Bexley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bexley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Dartford
Sub registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 127

Elizabeth Eustace 20
Alfred Powell 6
Catherine Powell 36
Evelyn Powell 11 months
William Powell 35

At the moment, I'd get Daniel Jr.'s marriage certificate and see what it says for father. Do you have it perchance?

Searching for Eustace-Bayliss births at FreeBMD, there are four girls born 1917-1921. Is one your direct ancestor?

I can understand how difficult it would be to investigate family history if Daniel (your grandfather or gr-grandfather maybe?) died when his eldest child was four.

got it it says his father was daniel eustace house decorator thats it

they had 5 girls julia eustace 1917 is the wife's side's mother

Not much help, eh? ;)

If we go with my theory that Sarah and Daniel weren't married ...

This is the best match for Daniel Jr's birth:

Births Dec 1880
Cruse Daniel James St. Saviour 1d 164

To match that surname, we have -- just musing now, remember:

Marriages Sep 1875
CRUSE Sarah Ann Wandsworth 1d 874
MASLIN William Wandsworth 1d 874
Urquhart Rose Wandsworth 1d 874
Urquhart William Wandsworth 1d 874


A bit of a dead end, I think. I suspect that Sarah Ann was born 1857.

Young Daniel in 1901:

Name: Daniel Eustace
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston Hill St Paul
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks Depot East Surrey Regiment

Ah -- 5 girls. FreeBMD has only transcribed the 4, it seems, so far.

Okay, 1861.

I read the surname as ... well, it's really hard to say.

Heuston or Houston.

The household is difficult to understand in the original (no relationships are shown), but Ancestry has made a complete hash of it.

It seems to be Peter and his three children. Daniel is a son (on the next page from Peter). Peter is a bricklayer.



Name: Daniel J Heaster
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth (no; nonsense)
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Less
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
Household schedule number: 176

William Baker 47
Daniel J Heaster 15
Eliza Heaster 18
Sarah Ann Heaster 10
William Heaster 15
Peter Hensters 42


The others shown in the list at Ancestry are completely unrelated, in completely separate households.

Wrong year (unless late registration?) but interesting name:


Name: Daniel James Heustice
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 298