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That was what I did, Christine -- searched for Draper-Sparke births and that was the only one. Had there been others, I would have reported them!

But I might eat my words ... there is a Draper-Spark birth, now that I think to look for that possible error, and no apparent marriage to account for it. I'll follow him through and if he appears to be living will PM the info.

-- traced him through, found what seems to be a valid chain to his son now in Florida, sent facebook links etc.

Hi could someone find out if Malcolm Draper had siblings please?
I would be very appreciative.

Name: Albert J Draper + Winifred A Sparke
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1933
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county (inferred): Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2210


One Draper-Sparke birth, I'll send info from there by PM. ... No, sadly he's deceased.

Name: Malcolm T Draper
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sparke
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1935
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county: Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1409

Name: Malcolm Terence Draper
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1935
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1991
Age at death (estimated): 55
Registration district: Hillingdon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 13
Page: 917

This is the other possible birth.

Name: Paul I Draper
Mother's Maiden Surname: Spark <<<<
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1943
Registration district: Hatfield
Registration county: Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1684

marriage

Name: Paul I Draper
Spouse: Janet D Allen
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1967
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county (inferred): Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 409

possible birth

Name: Nigel Dean Draper
Mother's Maiden Surname: Allen
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1972
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county: Hertfordshire, Huntingtonshire, Suffolk, Norfolk
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 728

This could be a misprint on the middle initial - no image available

Name: Nigel P Draper
Spouse: Karen T Thomas
Date of Registration: Oct 1991
Registration district: Stevenage
Registration county (inferred): Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 10
Page Number: 726


Less likely Draper-Allen births:

Similarly, there are several Paul I Drapers, none with a Janet. There is a Janet D Draper, but not in Hertfordshire (no results when using Hertfordshire as location).

Choccy, MaureeninNY and Janey all take a bow!

Yes Choccy its still ongoing and I really hope to keep it moving.

Thanks so MUCH

Christine x

Take a bow, Choccy. ;)

Just looked back at this thread - didn't realise it was ongoing!

Sure does look like it! But start with that Draper-Dear marriage cert to be sure.

It's certainly unfortunate there's been no luck so far with finding living family ...

MaureeninNY and Janey: You have made someone in Bedfordshire very very happy. I've been trawling around with Mrs Draper who I now know as Mrs Mary Ann Draper who did live in High Street, Kensworth, so she probably did admit my grandmother to her destiny. Wow can things get better? This is so very much appreciated and to Choccy!!!

Now Christine, don't be saying I'm brilliant by PM. ;) (especially w/o any names to show what I'm being brilliant about, I'll just get all confused!)

How? Choccy figured out that marriage, I just ran with it. ;)

One Draper-Sparke birth, I'll send info from there by PM. ... No, sadly he's deceased.

Name: Malcolm T Draper
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sparke
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1935
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county: Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1409

Name: Malcolm Terence Draper
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1935
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1991
Age at death (estimated): 55
Registration district: Hillingdon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 13
Page: 917

... there are Malcolm T Draper marriages in Yorkshire 1959 and Lancashire 1966, neither seeming quite likely.

Still gnawing at the bone!

Births Sep 1905
Draper Albert John Hatfield 3a 787


It would be useful if someone with 1911 access would check William's place of birth!


Oops. ;) Maureen did.


Name: Albert John Draper
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 1115


Probably?

Name: Albert J Draper + Winifred A Sparke
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1933
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county (inferred): Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2210

1911 census transcription details for: London Road Knebworth Stn Stevenage Hertfordshire

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN7587 RG78PN371 RD136 SD1 ED18 SN206


Reg. District: Hitchin Sub District: Baldock
Parish: Knebworth Enum. District: 18
Address: London Road Knebworth Stn Stevenage Hertfordshire
County: Hertfordshire
DRAPER, William Albert Head Married M 30 1881 Green Grocers Childhurst Kent
DRAPER, Mary Ann Wife Married
7 years F 33 1878 Assisting In Business Stotfold Bedforshire
DRAPER, Albert John Son M 5 1906 Welwyn Hert

Maureen

Do we have this? This looks like Mary Ann in 1911

DRAPER MARY ANN 1878 33 Hitchin Hertfordshire
living with
DRAPER WILLIAM ALBERT 1881 30
DRAPER ALBERT JOHN 1906 5

So William is younger ...

Well I've more links to search now which is really helpful, but once you get a thread worth searching its really difficult to wait for the info isn't it?

I'm still happy for any other help of course.

Thank YOU

I checked the images for both parties in the 1904 marriage that choccy cleverly found, at Ancestry, and this is the correct reg info

Name: Mary Ann Dear
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Biggleswade
County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3b
>>> Page: 464

This looks like the husband's birth

Name: William Albert F Draper
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901)
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 269

so that death above is likely not correct.

I haven't found any Draper-Bennett births. (There are Draper-Bunnett and Draper-Bonnett births in the same area, but marriages to account for them.)

Possibly Elsie had been married before even though young, given the timing, WWII, and Bennett wasn't her birth surname, so there could be a different mother's surname on the birth records of any children.

I would get the

Draper-Dear marriage cert
Arthur Draper birth cert
Arthur Draper marriage cert
William Draper death cert

-- i.e. all of them! -- to try to verify the connections and see what additional information they might offer.

Mary Ann Dear may have been born earlier 1878. The following info from Janey looks promising and I thank you for this. Where do I go from here?

There is one Draper-Dear birth:

Name: Arthur W Draper
Mother's Maiden Surname: Dear
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1917
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county: Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1095

Likely marriage of the child (I'm assuming that the parties, born before 1920, are deceased):

Name: Arthur W Draper + Elsie M Bennett
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Registration district: Httchin
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2832


Could be the husband's death:

Name: William Draper
Birth Date: 9 May 1885
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 431

There is one Draper-Dear birth:

Name: Arthur W Draper
Mother's Maiden Surname: Dear
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1917
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county: Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1095

Perhaps the 1930 birth - she would have been in her 40s? - was a stillbirth. I don't see a Mary Draper death in 1977 to match, unfortunately. (Sorry, got confused, it was Annie who died in 1977.)


Likely marriage of the child (I'm assuming that the parties, born before 1920, are deceased):

Name: Arthur W Draper + Elsie M Bennett
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Registration district: Httchin
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2832


Could be the husband's death:

Name: William Draper
Birth Date: 9 May 1885
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 431

Age a bit out, but fits with Bedfordshire/hertfordshire move (I don't think the original necessarily says Arsley, very hard to read):


1901 England Census

Name: Mary Dear
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Arlesey, Bedfordshire, England

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Hitchin

Phoebe Harvey 40
Rosamund Harvey 8
Mary Dear 14
Bridget Jones 26

I would appreciate some more help on this please?

Hi, where could Mary Ann have been in 1901, not with the family?
Did they have off-spring?

Well done Choccy!
Jan