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A relative of my husband, Susannah Cranfield in the 1851 census aged 11yrs. Recently an Aunt of his passed away, and in her late husbands bible was found a card telling of her death in Canada in 1893 aged 48, loving sister of Emma Cranfield, she did not have a sister Emma, but a sister in law with that name, this would be my husbands GtGt Grandmother. The problem I have is I cannot find any info on that surname let alone her, any advice would be very welcome

Sorry for the delay Lynne, her husband was Henry Cranfield, he was illegitimate, I have proof of that. Susannah definately went to Canada, I have a printed card with info. of her death and my husbands father talked about his mother talking of an Aunt of hers who lived in Canada. Thank you for your help. Beth

Also on the IGI
Susan Cronfield born 13/8/1837 christened 10/9/1837 Cavendish Suffolk.Parents Henry Cronfield and Martha.


1841 census.
James Cranfield 1811 Suffolk.occ ag lab
Ann 1811 Suffolk.
Mary Ann 1836 Suffolk.
Susan 1838 Suffolk.
Susanana 1840 Suffolk

address Upland St Mary Bures Suffolk

Can you get someone with Canada census to look for her

Just thought of Kathryn B she is in Canada and always very helpful . She was on tips doing her stuff there

could this be Henry? 1891 census

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Copford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford
Ecclesiastical parish: Copford
Town: Village
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Name: Emma Cranfield
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Fordham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford
Ecclesiastical parish: Copford
Town: Village
County/Island: Essex

Household Members: Name Age
Beatrice Cranfield 6
Edith Cranfield 1
Emma Cranfield 40
Flory Cranfield 19
Henry Cranfield 40
Maud Cranfield 12
Polly Cranfield 4
William Cranfield 17

I think Grace has gone to bed

well in case its the one here they are in 1871 ?with Emma's brother



Name: Emma Cranfield
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Fordham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Name: Henry Cranfield
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Copford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford
County/Island: Essex
Name: Thos Cant
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Fordham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Name: Sarah Cant
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thos
Gender: Female
Where born: Fordham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Name: Ellen Cant
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thos
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Copford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Copford

Sorry yes I had gone to bed!! Yes Henry is Gt Grandfather and Susannah is his Aunt, the? is why did she go to Canada, and her surname is now Delsall, of which I can find no answers, did she get married before she went, or when she was over there, her "memory "card says interred in Canada and grave no, but canada is a big Place. Thanks

As I said find Kathryn B who is in Canada. She is always helping on other threads.

Im sure she will find something for you.

Hello Margaret, thanks for the advice but how do I contact, Kathryn?

Grace if you go to "tips board" another GR complaint post - next pages of searches
this is a message Kathryn has posted,so click on her name and send her a personal message and tell her you have posted on thos board and it has been suggested that she might be able to help you.

Thanks Janice will do that and let you know how I get on, sorry again for delay in answering. Beth

Ah, Grace, what you didn't tell me was that there was a whole thread underway with info in it already -- you just asked me your question in that other thread, rather than doing as Janice suggested. Lucky I was too busy to get right on to it ...

For ref, what I had in the other thread.


I just had a quick scan of deaths in Ontario in 1893, at Ancestry, and there's no Susan* who looks like she might be Delsall. The Cdn originals are horrific in many cases, the scans worse, and the transcriptions much worser, but nothing looks likely.

I also checked in Ontario for marriages of Susan* to Delsall, and any Delsall marriage at all. No such name. Nor in the 1901/1911 censuses. Closest we get is Dalzell in British Columbia in 1911.

The provinces all have to be checked individually, at their vital stats sites, for BMDs.


Aha. The 1871 census at Ancestry is index / head of household only:


Name: Samuel Delsall
Event: Living
Year: 1871
Province: New Brunswick
County: St. John
Place: St John
Comments: Cabinetmaker.
Source: New Brunswick Directory for 1871, The Genealogical Research Library, Toronto, 1984.
Volume/Page: 179
Note: The province and county are associated with the location of the record source and in some cases may not be the same as the place where the event occured.


There are quite a few Dalzells in the NB death records, including a couple of Samuels who could be that 1871 Samuel. I'm suspecting that that's what the name really was.

Someone at ancestry.ca has entered a name correction for one of them in the 1901 census -- I saw the marriage record for this couple, but obviously Susie isn't your Susannah since she's living in 1901:


Name: George T Dalzell
[George Young Dalzell]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 47
Birth Date: 3 Jun 1853
Birthplace: Nb
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Sussie
...


It might be worth contacting that Ancestry user to see whether s/he knows anything. If you PM me that email address, I can send a message through ancestry.ca asking that the user contact you.

I'm not clear on the timeline.


- Susannah Cranfield in the 1851 census aged 11yrs.
- her death in Canada in 1893 aged 48

11 in 1851 = ~1840
48 in 1893 = ~1845

I'd want to make sure we have the same/right person.

This is the only one FreeBMD has:

Births Mar 1844
CRANFIELD Susannah Halstead 12 11_

and this is the only marriage:

Marriages Dec 1859
Cranfield Susannah Lexden 4a 527
Pudney James Lexden 4a 527


Both in Essex, so I'd assume them to be both the same person, and to be your Susannah, from the info already in this thread relating to Emma Cranfield in Essex. No subsequent marriage by any Susannah Pudney to a Delsall or anything like.

So these are the Dalsells in the 1881 Cdn census -- available only at familysearch.org, free of charge:


New Brunswick:

Samuel DALSELL M Male Irish 59 Ireland Cabinet Maker Presbyterian
Ellen DALSELL M Female Irish 61 Ireland Presbyterian
James DALSELL Male Irish 28 New Brunswick Cabinet Maker Presbyterian
Frederick DALSELL Male Irish 20 New Brunswick Cabinet Maker Presbyterian
Bessie DALSELL Female Irish 24 New Brunswick Presbyterian


New Brunswick:

Thomas DALSELL Male Scottish 25 Scotland Stonecrafter Presbyterian


Ontario:

John DALSELL W Male Scottish 42 Ontario Farmer Primitive Methodist
John DALSELL Male Scottish 15 Ontario Primitive Methodist
Mary DALSELL Female Scottish 12 Ontario Primitive Methodist
Mary DALSELL W Female Scottish 64 Scotland Primitive Methodist
Adam DALSELL Male Scottish 34 Ontario Farmer Primitive Methodist

And then there are the Delzells:


Ontario:

John DELZELL M Male Scottish 50 Scotland Farmer C. Presbyterian
Isabella DELZELL M Female Scottish 39 Scotland C. Presbyterian
Margret DELZELL Female Scottish 16 O C. Presbyterian
John DELZELL Male Scottish 14 O C. Presbyterian
Samuel DELZELL Male Scottish 13 O C. Presbyterian
Agness DELZELL Female Scottish 11 O C. Presbyterian
Robert DELZELL Male Scottish 8 O C. Presbyterian
Jessie DELZELL Female Scottish 6 O C. Presbyterian
Mary DELZELL Female Scottish 4 O C. Presbyterian
Isabella DELZELL Female Scottish 2 O C. Presbyterian
James DELZELL Male Scottish C. Presbyterian


But no Delsalls.

You're definitely reading that name correctly?

Now this is interesting, at

http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

DELSALL George
age 47 M
date of departure 1893
departure port Liverpool
destination country Canada
destination port Quebec


That almost looks like someone travelling out to Canada because of the death of a family member.

There are two households in the UK census:


In 1851:

Betty Delsall 38
Betty Delsall 7
John Delsall 2
Sarah Delsall 10

in Warrington


in 1841:

Amos Delsall 10 Mo
John Delsall 30
Mary Delsall 30

in Chorlton


BUT in fact, both of those records actually read KELSALL, if you ask me.

More Delsalls in outbound passenter lists:


DELSALL 29 F 1914 Liverpool USA New York
DELSALL F 7 M 1914 Liverpool USA New York
DELSALL H 30 M 1914 Liverpool USA New York


But there just aren't any in England!